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It's about time that plot point was expanded and confirmed, it's beyond the height of ridiculousness that the majority of the fanbase and the even the Fallout wiki believed the Chinese dropped the bombs
It's like, does anyone understand the subtext of this series, for fucks sake?
Isn't it basically all but confirmed in the show that it was the US corpos that engineered the nuclear war? They're not at all subtle about it.
Yeah the most recent episode essentially confirms it was Vault Tec that did it and that the US govt was in on it and pre-planned the Enclave intending to use the vaults as experiments for long term space exploration.
Engineered under the influence of the Enclave.
The main reason for that is that ~~fallout fans are stupid and fans of the enclave~~ the US had defeated China in Alaska and was invading mainland China, and fallout fans think that means the US was winning, without realizing that probably meant the US was stuck in a war they would never win, which is why they tried to focus on powersuits while at the same time making bunkers. They knew if they nuked China, the Chinese would nuke them back.
it's deliberately ambiguous. Land invasion of China, US run by people who would make MacArthur blush, vault tec doing evil corporate shit, Europe trashed because of resource wars, etc.
i don't think who shot first is important to the games, and i do not trust the people in charge of the TV show to have functioning brains.
I previously wrote that the Fallout ambiguity was the point, and the more we know about the pre-War world actually detracts from the setting IMHO.
The US did get an upper hand with Power Armour, the FEV and other shit like deploying Deathclaws on their own soil. Can't even imagine what kind of shit they threw at China.
During the Interplay era, China was supposed to have dropped bombs as a last resort but it has been ambiguous in the Bethesda era.
Even if China launched the bombs first, building the vaults violated MAD and effectively started it