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In Fallout (1997) the opening cutscene shows a pre-war propaganda broadcast of American Soldiers executing a Canadian insurrectionist. Thankfully this is a work of fiction and not real life. (hexbear.net)

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's about time that plot point was expanded and confirmed, it's beyond the height of ridiculousness that the majority of the fanbase and the even the Fallout wiki believed the Chinese dropped the bombs

The main reason for that is that ~~fallout fans are stupid and fans of the enclave~~ the US had defeated China in Alaska and was invading mainland China, and fallout fans think that means the US was winning, without realizing that probably meant the US was stuck in a war they would never win, which is why they tried to focus on powersuits while at the same time making bunkers. They knew if they nuked China, the Chinese would nuke them back.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's deliberately ambiguous. Land invasion of China, US run by people who would make MacArthur blush, vault tec doing evil corporate shit, Europe trashed because of resource wars, etc.

i don't think who shot first is important to the games, and i do not trust the people in charge of the TV show to have functioning brains.

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

i don't think who shot first is important to the games

I previously wrote that the Fallout ambiguity was the point, and the more we know about the pre-War world actually detracts from the setting IMHO.

The pre-war civilization went from haunting to set dressing. It's easy to point to Bethesda for this phenomenon, but (if we're being really honest with ourselves) the problem started in Fallout 2. The game became a franchise, and its own lore began to eclipse the general irony. In the original Fallout the pre-war culture was as alien to the world's inhabitants as it was to ours. Part of what made it work was the very little that was revealed in the bombed-out ruins. Now we have a fairly liberal (yes, even in FO2 and FNV) takes on the human condition, while the player has an encyclopedic knowledge of the pre-war world.

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

The US did get an upper hand with Power Armour, the FEV and other shit like deploying Deathclaws on their own soil. Can't even imagine what kind of shit they threw at China.

During the Interplay era, China was supposed to have dropped bombs as a last resort but it has been ambiguous in the Bethesda era.