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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Only until Dawkins and others like Thunderfoot convinced them that Islam is a thousands times worse that the worst of christianity, then also the culture wars happened.

Even geek circles wanted to do the same "big tent" bullshit new atheists tried to pull when atheism+ happened, except it included actual christian fundamentalists. This lead to some new atheists welcoming them, due to the very heavy overlap of the two circles, which in turn even lead to them converting to conservative christianity.

[–] jamie_veal@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

atheism+

So all in all they took modern satanism, gave it another label and managed to lure fundamentalists into this? Color me impressed.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Atheism+ was atheism with progressive politics, but suddenly some people thought Islam was worse than christianity, and also thought it would court conservative christians a lot better if they were more friendly to conservatism, and also also communism bad therefore we need to counterbalance that with showing that you can be both an atheist and right wing. So atheism+ fell apart, then the secularism of new atheism fell out of favor for "defending western civilization from islamism", as far-right christians were better at big tentism.

[–] jamie_veal@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, just joking ofc. So that islamophobia was also part of atheism+? The religions wiki conveniently leaves that part out. It really reads like the similar values which the church of Satan stands for, just without the whole "We worship Satan to fuck with fundamentalists" schtick.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Atheism+ was neutral towards Islam, which -alongside with all the progressive politics - broke the minds of more islamophobic new atheists.