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In the face of Trump’s threats, Britain’s best path is clearer than ever: hurry back to Europe
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Please let us all remind the people we know who voted 'leave' about all the costs consequences vs what was promised. Remind them that these same people are re-selling their same bullshit to "fool them twice" with the same.
Nationally, we fucked up voting for Brexit. I have people that I haven't spoken to since them, but if I think they will consider a return, I'd be round to theirs for a cuppa and catch up ASAP to drop it into conversation.
Yeah but then the like of farage like to claim that it's just the wrong kind of Brexit, and his would be better in some way that he can never explain
Or the ole "10 billion pounds for the NHS" switcheroo
The EU is a capitalist cult, if the working class of Britain want a better Britain we should stay out of the EU. Yes, many voted leave because they're anti-immigrant flagshaggers types but many were also misled, such as my mum, who believed the narrative that if we left the EU the NHS would get more funding.
Fuck off back to reddit with this libshit take.
But it was a lie pushed by conservatives who have historically underfunded and undersupported the NHS.
The best thing the workers of the UK can do right now is join an entity with better working rights, which happens to be the EU
A broken clock is right twice a day. We did not leave the EU for the long-term betterment of the working class but it is something which we have gained. If we want better working rights, we need to organise within our own country for major changes not join a capitalist, imperialist entity for mild concessions.
Whilst I agree with the ideal pushed by Corbyn and others, the reality of the situation is that the working class in this country is more broken than ever before.
The working class is now more readily manipulated by increasingly popular right-wing media outlets heralded by the deregulation of our media imparted in no small part from our withdrawal from basic EU media legislation.
In short: if you're waiting for a revolution to happen, then you'll be sorely disappointed by how distracted we are to even begin forming a spark
I'm not waiting, I and many others are constantly going through the process of learning and applying Marxist-Leninist ideology to themselves and their local community. The Bolshevik's were a small party until revolution came, the decline and fall of systems and ideologies is not linear, they unpredictably and wildly grow and shrink.
But look around, capitalism is in decay, it is clearer now than it was just a few years ago and in a few years it is very likely it will be even clearer and even more decayed. And this will directly affect people's political views.
Real, signifcant change to our society only has come through organised revolution (it is how feudalism became capitalism) history has shown this. Please read Reform or Revolution by Rosa Luxembourg.
The bolsheviks also came about out a time when Russian workers were highly homogenized. There was no 'foreign other' for the elites to point the finger at to distract the masses.
Nowadays, the UK workforce is diverse enough that much of the working class who already had some latent xenophobia bubbling below the surface, can now have it weaponised by fascist parties. The people joining Your party and the Greens, aren't working class. They're maybe lower-lower middle class city folk, but not the labourers of the country
I'm not sure that categorising leave voters as having either been racists or been hoodwinked is doing your argument much favour tbh.
Oh yes because there only the 2 types of people I gave as examples who voted leave. No more nuance to it than that of course.
They were the only two examples you chose to give in favour of your argument that we should stay out.
Personally I think that those were poor examples, and it's much more nuanced than that, but then I wasn't the one making the argument or choosing the examples to back it up with.
'Workers of the world, unite!'
Since you're talking about ' the working class of Britain'... Do you know who said that?
The EU as a bloc are vehemently anti-socialist and are a massive impediment to any potential socialist or communist governance by member states. They discipline member states to keep them in line ideologically and for their markets to remain "free".
Socialists should and must be absolutely opposed to the EU as a project, but work towards close collaboration with other European socialists and socialist/communist parties.
Dismantle the EU once you established close and successfull cooperation with other socialists and formed a functional organisation to replace it.
Calling for an end of the EU without having the means to replace its protective role for all its citizens, also workers, against foreign imperalistic powers makes you a tool of said powers, nothing else. An adaption to Chinese or American work ethics and worker rights is NEITHER a goal of the european working class NOR a socialist ideal, even if the former imperialistic power paints itself as being socialist.
The EU are a foreign imperialist power for much of the global south.
I didn't mention China or America.
The EU absolutely obliterated the Greek economy and subjected them to austerity politics to pay off debts to other EU member states. Its key members (Germany, France) are neocolonial powers in their own rights, with Germany deepthroatedly supporting Israel while France maintains a hegemonic, colonial role over its 'former' colonies in West Africa.
The EU core extracts cheap labour from its periphery member states (mostly former Eastern bloc nations) and has no intention of reducing the massive wage differentials between member states that cause this effect. It ensures that no member state can nationalise industries, and works towards 'liberating' industries that are already nationalised so that German and French capital can pour into those industries and capture their market share and profits.
A 'strong and stable' EU is not going to be particularly easy to supplant now is it? Surely you want your enemies as weak as possible before dealing the finishing blow instead of propping them up and aiding their legitimacy despite their clearly imperialist aims and ends. The EU are all about that white supremacist 'our garden vs. their jungle', keep the savages out, kill the refugees in the Mediterranean and let the Albanians do our dirty work. No friends of mine or any well-read socialist.