It's not until you've seen good communists, friends and comrades, with strong critiques of the system they're under get fed into the grist of colour revolution for nothing. For worse than nothing. That you begin to understand.

[–] narr1@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hey don't worry, I fell for that one initially. Took until Oct 7 until I really started seeing through it all if you will.

Ukraine is kinda close-by geographically, and geopolitically we "share the enemy" because we had ties with the nazis during WWII, and the Soviets invaded in ’39 to secure St. Petersburg (then known as Leningrad) from a joint Axis attack from the north along the Karelian isthmus.

Tap for spoiler

Of course people don't care to remember that we did eventually invade back into Soviet territory (further than previous borders) during Operation Barbarossa, which included a joint attack and eventual siege of Leningrad (I've heard tell that it was our own marshall Mannerheim who decided that bombing the ice road across lake Ladoga and thus condemning the people there to starvation was a reasonable thing to do, but then again we also had concentration camps back then far the Karelians so I guess they just actually were really fucking racist)

But even the fact that the chairman or whatever of my country's most popular far-right political party went to address the Ukraine parliament, speaking himself Ukrainian for some reason, didn't straight away make me question the narrative.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I was 19 and I believed George W Bush when he came on TV and told Americans about WMD.

I think the blinders quickly fell from my eyes... That administration radicalized me

As for Ukraine... I didn't know enough about that country and its political history or culture to have a strong opinion about it, although I recall thinking that it was a very Iraq-like move by Putin. It still doesn't look like it was the smartest move, but 🤷 I just want to see western Ukraine ceded to Russia already so that people can stop dying for abstractions

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

there's a john mearschimer presentation from before the invasion that goes over a lot of it. i think it's on the university of chicago youtube page.

the other part of it is the coup/color revolution in 2014 and apparently nobody killed enough nazi collaborators back in the day.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago

Ah yes, I remember that stuff got really nuts there in 2014 (and 2011?). They should have let the country split then