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I can really feel your love for our ND users in this grossly patronizing and presumptive reply. I like the part where you imply I'm acting and not legitimately offended, that's not an ableist assumption at all. /s, if that wasn't clear.
I do feel sorry for the NDs who have ended in this clearly toxic community which is harming them. In fact it was such a stunning statement that it has stayed with me as one of the worst aspects of hexbear and is reinforcing the rest of the ableism I see. . Don't use your ND as a shield either. Disgusting behaviour.
I usually stay out, and don't make comments when I know I dont have it in me to deal with it/replies. But you've been make a really good case for defederation. If this is what an admin is like I dont want to deal with the rest.
They have much better users than admins honestly. Even after getting in some frustrating arguments with db0 people recently, I wouldn't want them defederated.
It isn't even all admins, either.
It's tradition at this point
Condescending again. Still acting like I couldn't be legitimately offended by you weaponizing and misrepresenting our internal discussions (which I was an active participant in). Assuming I must be faking it. Your behavior here is perfectly representative of the kind of communication style ND users here have complained about.
Edit: you clearly didn't read any of the complaints you're weaponizing if you thinks it's acceptable to accuse someone who you disagree with of faking an emotional response.
They're also saying it's hexbears fault for them not following the rules.
I suddenly realize why there so okay defending indefensible users now
Oh well why am I not surprised since condescension, bullying, and rage baiting is the modus operanti of this instance which is especially harmful towards NDs. And when hexbears mark someone as the enemy, all rules are off. Even saying that their behaviour is harmful to NDs causes them to close ranks and engage in disgusting levels of ableism.
Even you, coming here all random-like to say that I'm just doing rhetoric by pointing out how shitty hexbear is to NDs is fucking condescending, as of I cannot possibly be upset about it it's just "tokenizing". When you pile in guns blazing with bad faith and condescension, don't be surprised that you get some of that back.
To clarify, I accused you of tokenizing (which I subsequently edited to say weaponizing, which was more accurate to what I meant) because you vaguely brought up the general idea of complaints made by ND users on here in a way that I felt lacked context and misrepresented the actual complaints. Moreover, your comment seemed to me to imply that the ND users here were all cowering in fear of the other users. As a person who was an extremely active participant in recent discussions on here on the subject (which I think are what you were referring to with the vague comment about ND users expressing being "terrified"), I took exception to that.
See if you came in with a reasonable point like this, instead of all combative, we wouldn't have reached this point. And this immediate bad faith I always see, is why I have a massive problem with hexbears.
Also I did not imply anything and you should know better than to assume. I said what I said. What I've seen. And it's true. And it upset me. And it's an indication of the effect hexbear can have on people (especially NDs) and why in my opinion hexbear keeps getting defederated.
I think that might not be an implication that ND users are cowering in fear of other users on here so much as an outright statement of it as fact. As I said, I was an active participant in those recent discussions and I feel that your characterization misrepresents them and infantilizes ND users on here. My initial reply was harsh because I had a real emotional response to that.
Fair enough. To be exact then:No I don't meant to imply that all or most NDs are cowering in fear. I meant exactly and only what I said, that I've seen some hexbear NDs express such sentiments of fear, which when added to my personal experience of how ableist hexbears have been towards myself, indicates a systemic problem of hexbears attitudes which also manifests in the wide defederation.
As I said, I was a participant in those discussions where people expressed those things, and I think they're improving ("dunking culture" has been gradually fading away on here, especially in the last few months) and also not at all issues unique to Hexbear. In fact, most of them stem from a culture built in Reddit. I would say that in my experience this website is safer for ND users than most others I can think of, though not as much as I'd like (which I hope is being addressed through recent discussions, etc.).
To discuss concrete things, though, I assume when you're discussing a recent dogpile (what you brought up to Cowbee), you're referring to the thread that this post links to? I genuinely don't see the anyone dogpiling you in that thread (you only interacted with 3 Hexbear users across the whole thread that I saw), but I think maybe you're referring to a different thread?
Considering the greatest champions of defederation from Hexbear are also often the most toxic instances and users on the fediverse, I legitimately don't think that dunking culture is the primary cause of defederation. Lemmygrad I think had less of a dunking culture and was defederated more widely. The same people who push to defederate Hexbear and Grad generally push to defederate .ml, which AFAIK has never had a culture of "dunking" at all. It's fairly clear, at least to me, that the widespread defederation of these instances is nothing more or less than simple red scare mentality from the liberal portions of the fediverse (.world being the clearest example).
I think that I'd take your final point further and would argue that Lemmygrad has the opposite of Hexbear's lighthearted dunking culture in the form of a pretty scary gang of well-read posters that will inundate any liberal post with lengthy rebukes. It makes total sense that they got mass defederated, it's horrifying! Hexbear has been gaining more users like that over the past couple of years, and now we're at the point that if you post a lib take on an instance that's federated with us, you'll also get flooded with some lengthy, well-researched comments. We gotta keep improving the posting because a lot of low effort dunks still remain, but we're on a good trajectory.
Can confirm, took me a good long while and actually finishing Capital volume 1 before making a Grad account. It's very chill and relaxing over there, but can be somewhat intimidating in that you don't want to make a fool of yourself there, which is what kept me away for a while.
I started out with a lemmygrad account. Idk what you think grad is like, but lemme tell you, there isnt such theory rigour.
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I have one now and I have a better understanding of it, genuinely very chill, I just felt out of my depth so I didn't want to make an account there to start. I'm happy with my experience there, even if I'm not super active there!
Yeah I've seen that you spend a lot of time in the trenches and not as lot here or grad
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Honestly it's mostly that if I get a reply from a reactionary, I feel the need to reply back. I can't just let it sit. Prob going to take a bit of a break from Lemmy.ml for a short while soon, the last few days were a lot.
I'm not talking to about this thread since I anyway came in with a cheeky attitude. The pile-ons I've experiencedaand which I'm usually referring to, have been multiple hundreds of comments deep with dozens of hexbears inside my own comms in my own instance.
I honestly disagree that it's red scare. Sure there's some that agitate for blocking for this reason, but in my experience with theses who express dislike for federation with hex, most people really fucking hate the bad faith, toxic and rage baiting attitudes constantly coming out of it. I. E. It's the dirtbag, not the left that's the problem. There's plenty of radicals in /0, slrpnk, quokka etc, and yet they don't encounter nowhere near the same guttural reactions. I think it's a cope to blame anything on red scare and it allows to avoid introspection.
I don't avoid introspection, I'm well aware of the enduring aspects of the culture on this site that it inherited from the old subreddit. I've been an opponent of it across all recent discussions we've had, and like I said I'm glad it's fading away. I'm simple saying that I don't think it's the cause of defederation.
As I said, the same culture did not generally exist on Lemmygrad AFAIK and they were defederated more widely. The same people who advocate defederation of Hex and Grad often push defederation of .ml as well, which definitely never had any dunking culture. It's fairly clear to me that the root cause of wide defederation is political.
By red scare, I'm referring to cold war red scare mentality which never primarily targeted anarchists. The main political disagreements which I have observed causing people to want to defederate are disagreements about the enemies of the American empire, which are not disagreements that are primarily going to come from anarchist instances. To be clear, I'm not saying all anarchists are upholding US foreign policy, but these instances don't come into active conflict with liberal instances over it as much as Hex and Grad do, or even .ml. And when the conflict does occur, the anarchists typically get called "tankies" by the liberals anyways.
Hey, the First Red Scare was against anarchists and it happened during the Cold War if you subscribe to the Parenti line that the Cold War began with the Russian Civil War.
The First Red Scare was against both anarchists and Marxists, but fair lol. I was referring to the AmeriKKKan definition of "cold war". To completely clarify, I'm talking about McCarthyism, which I think is the primary mentality at play in these defederation decisions.