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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I honestly disagree that it's red scare. Sure there's some that agitate for blocking for this reason, but in my experience with theses who express dislike for federation with hex, most people really fucking hate the bad faith, toxic and rage baiting attitudes constantly coming out of it. I. E. It's the dirtbag, not the left that's the problem. There's plenty of radicals in /0, slrpnk, quokka etc, and yet they don't encounter nowhere near the same guttural reactions. I think it's a cope to blame anything on red scare and it allows to avoid introspection.

I don't avoid introspection, I'm well aware of the enduring aspects of the culture on this site that it inherited from the old subreddit. I've been an opponent of it across all recent discussions we've had, and like I said I'm glad it's fading away. I'm simple saying that I don't think it's the cause of defederation.

As I said, the same culture did not generally exist on Lemmygrad AFAIK and they were defederated more widely. The same people who advocate defederation of Hex and Grad often push defederation of .ml as well, which definitely never had any dunking culture. It's fairly clear to me that the root cause of wide defederation is political.

There's plenty of radicals in /0, slrpnk, quokka etc, and yet they don't encounter nowhere near the same guttural reactions.

By red scare, I'm referring to cold war red scare mentality which never primarily targeted anarchists. The main political disagreements which I have observed causing people to want to defederate are disagreements about the enemies of the American empire, which are not disagreements that are primarily going to come from anarchist instances. To be clear, I'm not saying all anarchists are upholding US foreign policy, but these instances don't come into active conflict with liberal instances over it as much as Hex and Grad do, or even .ml. And when the conflict does occur, the anarchists typically get called "tankies" by the liberals anyways.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hey, the First Red Scare was against anarchists and it happened during the Cold War if you subscribe to the Parenti line that the Cold War began with the Russian Civil War.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The First Red Scare was against both anarchists and Marxists, but fair lol. I was referring to the AmeriKKKan definition of "cold war". To completely clarify, I'm talking about McCarthyism, which I think is the primary mentality at play in these defederation decisions.