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After seeing a megathread praising Mao Zedong, an actual mass killer, and a post about a guy saying "99% of westerners are 100000000000% sure they know what happened in 'Tiny Man Square' [...] the reasons for this are complex and involve propaganda [...]," I am genuinely curious what leads people to this belief system. Even if propaganda is involved when it comes to Tiananmen Square, it doesn't change the atrocities that were/are committed everywhere else in China.

I am all for letting people believe what they want but I am lost on why one would deliberately praise any authoritarian system this hard.

Can someone please help me understand why this is such a large and prominent community? How have these ideals garnered such a following outside of China?

EDIT: Thank you to everyone who has responded! This thread has been very insightful :)

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[–] DaMummy@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This isn't the whole story, just throwing my ¢2 in the conversation. There was a recent memorial in Canada about deaths attributed to communism. They had to remove the names off that monument as it was pretty much all fascist. So you're prettty much stating that you're pro fascist if you're against communism. And yes, it's the communists who not only defeated the German fascists, but also the Italian ones as well.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And yes, it's the communists who not only defeated the German fascists, but also the Italian ones as well.

And Japanese fascists. which is who was "mass murdered" by the Chinese after being colonized and brutally ruled by the Japanese for 14 years. The Chinese lost over 22 million people fighting fascism

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So you’re pretty much stating that you’re pro fascist if you’re against communism

Even if it were true that communists only killed fascists, this would not follow

And yes, it’s the communists who ... defeated the German fascists

They deserve credit for this, but they also deserve blame for their earlier cooperation with fascist Germany

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They didn't cooperate with fascist Germany, they signed a non aggression pact after they tried to rally the rest of Europe against fascist Germany and the Europeans said no and then signed their own agreements with Germany. The soviets being the last to try and avoid war with the fascists through a non aggression pact after the Europeans decided to cozy up to Germany means the soviets were the least culpable in the situation. Considering their entire economy was fucked after world war 1 and the Germans were already saying Slavic people were subhumans controlled by Jewish Bolsheviks before the non aggression pact was signed, there is literally no reason to assume bad faith on the Soviets part for trying to stave off more war for a few years to prepare for the inevitable.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They deserve credit for this, but they also deserve blame for their earlier cooperation with fascist Germany

The Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with fascist Germany because it was already at war with fascist Japan. It then had a non-aggression pact with fascist Japan while it was at war with fascist Germany. The entire pact was just the Soviet Union not wanting to fight in two different fronts against fascists.

The Soviet Union was already waging war against fascists in 1935. Can't say the same for the rest of the Allies outside of the Republic of China.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

+1 for a world history lore drop.

Where can I learn more about this?

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 12 points 1 week ago

they also deserve blame for their earlier cooperation with fascist Germany

This is a widely repeated misconstruction of the events in Reddit and Lemmy. I'm gonna please ask you to actually read my comment and to be open to the historical evidence I bring (using Wikipedia as a source, hopefully not suspect of being tankie-biased), because I believe there is a great mistake in the way contemporary western nations interpret history of WW2 and the interwar period. Thank you for actually making the effort, I know it's a long comment, but please engage with the points I'm making:

The only country who offered to start a collective offensive against the Nazis and to uphold the defense agreement with Czechoslovakia as an alternative to the Munich Betrayal was the USSR. From that Wikipedia article: "The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia's assistance, provided the Red Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory; both countries refused." Poland could have literally been saved from Nazi invasion if France and itself had agreed to start a war together against Nazi Germany, but they didn't want to. By the logic of "invading Poland" being akin to Nazi collaboration, Poland was as imperialist as the Nazis.

As a Spaniard leftist it's so infuriating when the Soviet Union, the ONLY country in 1936 which actively fought fascism in Europe by sending weapons, tanks and aviation to my homeland in the other side of the continent in the Spanish civil war against fascism, is accused of appeasing the fascists. The Soviets weren't dumb, they knew the danger and threat of Nazism and worked for the entire decade of the 1930s under the Litvinov Doctrine of Collective Security to enter mutual defense agreements with England, France and Poland, which all refused because they were convinced that the Nazis would honor their own stated purpose of invading the communists in the East. The Soviets went as far as to offer ONE MILLION troops to France (Archive link against paywall) together with tanks, artillery and aviation in 1939 in exchange for a mutual defense agreement, which the French didn't agree to because of the stated reason. Just from THIS evidence, the Soviets were by far the most antifascist country in Europe throughout the 1930s, you literally won't find any other country doing any remotely similar efforts to fight Nazism. If you do, please provide evidence.

The invasion of "Poland" is also severely misconstrued. The Soviets didn't invade what we think of nowadays when we say Poland. They invaded overwhelmingly Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian lands that Poland had previously invaded in 1919. Poland in 1938, a year before the invasion:

"Polish" territories invaded by the USSR in 1939:

The Soviets invaded famously Polish cities such as Lviv (sixth most populous city in modern Ukraine), Pinsk (important city in western Belarus) and Vilnius (capital of freaking modern Lithuania). They only invaded a small chunk of what you'd consider Poland nowadays, and the rest of lands were actually liberated from Polish occupation and returned to the Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian socialist republics. Hopefully you understand the importance of giving Ukrainians back their lands and sovereignty?

Additionally, the Soviets didn't invade Poland together with the Nazis, they invaded a bit more than two weeks after the Nazi invasion, at a time when the Polish government had already exiled itself and there was no Polish administration. The meaning of this, is that all lands not occupied by Soviet troops, would have been occupied by Nazis. There was no alternative. Polish troops did not resist Soviet occupation but they did resist Nazi invasion. The Soviet occupation effectively protected millions of Slavic peoples like Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians from the stated aim of Nazis of genociding the Slavic peoples all the way to the Urals.

All in all, my conclusion is: the Soviets were fully aware of the dangers of Nazism and fought against it earlier than anyone (Spanish civil war), spent the entire 30s pushing for an anti-Nazi mutual defence agreement which was refused by France, England and Poland, tried to honour the existing mutual defense agreement with Czechoslovakia which France rejected and Poland didn't allow (Romania neither but they were fascists so that's a given), and offered to send a million troops to France's border with Germany to destroy Nazism but weren't allowed to do so. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a tool of postponing the war in a period in which the USSR, a very young country with only 10 years of industrialization behind it since the first 5-year plan in 1929, was growing at a 10% GDP per year rate and needed every moment it could get. I can and do criticise decisions such as the invasion of Finland, but ultimately even the western leaders at the time seem to generally agree with my interpretation:

“In those days the Soviet Government had grave reason to fear that they would be left one-on-one to face the Nazi fury. Stalin took measures which no free democracy could regard otherwise than with distaste. Yet I never doubted myself that his cardinal aim had been to hold the German armies off from Russia for as long as might be” (Paraphrased from Churchill’s December 1944 remarks in the House of Commons.)

“It would be unwise to assume Stalin approves of Hitler’s aggression. Probably the Soviet Government has merely sought a delaying tactic, not wanting to be the next victim. They will have a rude awakening, but they think, at least for now, they can keep the wolf from the door” Franklin D. Roosevelt (President of the United States, 1933–1945), from Harold L. Ickes’s diary entries, early September 1939. Ickes’s diaries are published as The Secret Diary of Harold Ickes.

"One must suppose that the Soviet Government, seeing no immediate prospect of real support from outside, decided to make its own arrangements for self‑defence, however unpalatable such an agreement might appear. We in this House cannot be astonished that a government acting solely on grounds of power politics should take that course” Neville Chamberlain House of Commons Statement, August 24, 1939 (one day after pact's signing)

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this

[–] F_State@midwest.social -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You make it sound like no one else fought against the Fascists.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Lol no they don't shut the fuck up