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I kinda miss a few opinions on the topic of “screw taste” here. 🥲

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

JIS > Philips and this is a hill I will die on. Philips #2 strips so quickly its quickly garbage.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago

This article I came across convincingly disputes the idea that JIS is meaningfully different from other cross head standards. I do not have access to the standards myself to corroborate.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

~~That’s the point of Philips. They’re for assembly line manufacturing designed to torque out when they’re tight.~~ They’re awful.

The problem with JIS is that most people don’t have a JIS driver.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wikipedia disputes the claim of cam out being deliberate

The design is often criticized for its tendency to cam out at lower torque levels than other "cross head" designs. There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners.[15]: 85 [16] There is no good evidence for this suggestion, and the property is not mentioned in the original patents.[17]

Fair enough.

That makes them trash to me, if that’s not a feature.

Philips apparently got adopted because it strips so easily. Back in the day, torque limiters didn't work well and camming out was considered preferable to applying too much torque

Treat yourself to some good drivers from Vessel and you are living the high life. Or don't and strip every screw you look at on old Japanese motorcycles.