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Why do you say that?
She was being harmed and so she defended herself, and the harm stopped. Looks like self-defense to me.
In my view, self defense is a legal defense when somebody used violence to defend themselves against an immediate threat of physical harm. I don't see how, legally, you could expand the parameters to fit this case. But I'm also not a lawyer.
The argument it seems to me you could be building here is that the victim of despicable bullying, ignored and misunderstood by all the authorities, lashed out out of desperation. And that in itself is an act of self defense. I think that's a moral way to look at it, but not a legal one. The latter will look at this exactly as mitigating circumstances.
What is required is that there is a reasonable belief that they are in imminent physical danger. There are other factors, like attempting to deescalate and such, but she actually did that when she begged her school for help.
And being sexually harassed is reasonable reason to believe that they are in danger of sexual assault, or worse.
That's why, when the police got involved, the boy was arrested and now faces 10 charges. She has not been arrested and is not facing charges. Legally, she seems to be in the clear.
I'm going to have to agree with the other person; I don't think this qualifies as "self defense". HOWEVER, the egregiousness of his harassment does seem to rise to the level of "instigation", making him criminally responsible for the physical altercation. She's not being charged with assault and battery, but someone is responsible. He instigated that crime; he should be charged with it.
You clearly have a different take on the situation. A bunch of dipshits showing deepfakes around on a bus, ostensibly with other people around who are not party to this dispute and a grownup in the driver's seat, does not convince me that even your interpretation applies here. But neither one of us was present, we are both arm chairing this, we are just sitting in different arm chairs. Let's leave it at that.
I'm not going to leave it. You're wrong and you need to know it.
It wasn't just one instance on the bus. These AI nudes were being traded around for a while and it wasn't just happening to this one girl either. There were multiple victims that already been going to the school and the police for help. This was, essentially, a child pornography ring.
In the aftermath we see that the police also interpret the situation the way I do, which is why they arrested the boy while the girl who beat him up was not arrested. Not to say that the police should be totally trusted in legal matters, obviously, it's up to the court to determine the facts from here. I don't think the court is going to be sympathetic to this little creep.
In light of the fact that she and the other girls went to the authorities, what the fuck else were they supposed to do? Because it looks like beating this little creep up was actually the correct decision, because it got the legal ball rolling.
A small point of order: she didn't "beat him up". She threw a couple of punches. There's no reports he was in any way seriously harmed which what "beat up" as a term suggests to me.
Good point. That said, she should have beaten him up. 🤷♀️
Probably wouldn't stand up as well legally, though. Proportionality is also important when examining self-defense cases, she smacked him around just enough to get the police involved and get him arrested. That's a win.
I'll take your points under advisement but I'm most certainly done arguing about this.
You're the only one armchairing this and quite poorly. You seem to have a cop-drama level understanding of laws.
Unless you were present at the time, you are in the metaphorical arm chair as well.