this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2025

188 points (98.0% liked)

Ask Lemmy

36391 readers

2149 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Rules: (interactive)

1) Be nice and; have fun

Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them

2) All posts must end with a '?'

This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?

3) No spam

Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.

4) NSFW is okay, within reason

Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].

5) This is not a support community.

It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.

6) No US Politics.

Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !askusa@discuss.online

Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world

TheSaneWriter@lemm.ee

TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com

Asudox@lemmy.world

lemmy_bot@lemmy.world

beefbaby182@lemmy.world

ModeratorCan@lemmy.world

neidu3@sh.itjust.works

asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev

candyman337@lemmy.world

candyman337@sh.itjust.works

188

Whats the worst book anyone has ever recommended you? (piefed.zip)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Maven@piefed.zip to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

500 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.

That doesn't mean that they're supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it's adherents act.

jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.

Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That's because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.

being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn't make owning slaves admirable or righteous.

I know. Slave owning isn't righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?

jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.

And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You've figured it out.

Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself.

No there isn't. And who's subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.

It's an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.

It's not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"...cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act"

An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.

"...humans are corrupt and wild..."

correct, jesus is not a perfect master

"are you accusing me..."

I wasn't, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.

"Slave owning isn't righteous"

Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.

Time to scrutinize your values.

the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.

it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.

"It's not about owning slaves or worshipping fear"

By its own text, the christian bible is a book about worshiping fear and glorifying slavery.

but that's okay because it's just a book, one of millions, and there's a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

correct, jesus is not a perfect master

Jesus is a perfect master. He is patient.

An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.

No, it isn't. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of "socialism".

I wasn't, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.

Not, we don't.

Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.

No, it isn't.

it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.

No, it's not.

the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.

Except it's clear you aren't saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.

but that's okay because it's just a book, one of millions, and there's a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.

Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.

Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I'm almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

ohet

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.

He does exactly that- teach and control them.

On hoarding wealth:

Matthew 19:16-22

And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Luke 12:16-21

And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”

On violence:

Luke 22:50-51

And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 5:38-42

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

jesus is a bad master

No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.

Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.

Christian denominations don't hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.

Slavery according to the christian bible:

That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you'd be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn't preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you'll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.

None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.

According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves

No, it's not.

But it's one silly book among millions, you don't have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.

The Bible doesn't preach these things, and we don't worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it's your own selfishness which is clouding it.

And if a religion is defined by how it's people behave, we sing the hymn "Amazing Grace" which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a "wretch" and "I once was lost"

John Newton, 1778

How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.

I doubt you've actually read the Bible - Jesus' constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew's Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it's just two and a half hours long.

2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

ohet

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.

Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?

You kind of remind me when 'the right' undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.

Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.

Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?

Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.

All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You're not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn't promote these things, I will.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

ohet

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

good for you to acknowledge lot's christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.

Easy for you to say, since you're not in Lot's position. So what, he should have been misandrist instead and let them rape the men? They didn't even rape the daughters anyway, they were sodomites.

Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn't realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.

Having sex with a drunk person is rape.

and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.

And we know that in real life atheists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.

and we know that in real life muslims are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.

and we know that in real life satanists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.

See? It's almost as if such people exist in literally every group of humans that exist.

Jesus endorses misogyny, slavery and incest in "his" book, and so does anyone who worships his words.

Convenient not to give any more examples apart from what I've already debunked. Define "misogyny" while you're at it.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

ohet

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"supplied above" when you haven't even supplied them

specifically because he values them less

I think that's because they weren't angels literally sent from God, not because they were women 🙄 either that or he was exposing the sodomites for not being interested in women, but instead being interested in men

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can play pretend, but you've directly responded to the biblical passages I've supplied in previous comments, so it's foolish of you to make believe.

lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn't make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.