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[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think we are of a mind on this. I believe that reform is possible, but in some cases, like hers, likely only through force.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I believe that reform is possible, but in some cases, like hers, likely only through force.

Well yes, people usually don't reform themselves and the systems that make them this way usually resist non-violent methods of reorganizing them. Fartlow, though, is fundamentally a pathetic person that poses no threat as an individual - she's not a leader, she's a follower, to put it in binary terms. This is the person who was afraid of a "Free Parking" sign. If you put her in an environment that rewards not being a genocidal monster (as @purpleworm@hexbear.net said), then she would likely stop being a genocidal monster fairly quickly because, as I said, she's pathetic and I doubt she has actual convictions of any kind about anything.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the systems that make them this way usually resist non-violent methods of reorganizing them

During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, etc. etc. yes I know.

I just don't want to be the soldier anymore. I want to cook, I want to create, I want to entertain the little ones, I want to teach!

Unfortunately history and our material conditions has chosen a different path for me. I am capable of incredible violence and it is a thing I both cherish and must reckon with. It is not a good thing but a thing I recognize will be regrettably necessary.

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

I love this. I feel this in my soul.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Absolutely. Some people need to be forced (as most people already acknowledge about rehabilitation to some degree), I just think the outcome of that force can be a successful rehabilitation and a happy life where someone can engage in a constructive and genuine way with their community.