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Wasn't the book completely unironic fascist propaganda? They're just openly bragging that they won't copy the anti-fascist movie because their creative vision is to make a straight movie adaptation of the fascist book?
So it seems. Allegedly the director of the 1997 film was so disgusted with the source material that he couldn't even finish reading it.
Verhoven might be the only good Dutchman. Iirc he intended the movie to be kind of an earnest effort of propaganda that would be produced by that society. The satire is less that the movie is cheesy or dark or insane or whatever, but that a fascist society would completely miss those notes and just think it fucking rocked. And then Americans saw the movie and thought it fucking rocked.
i remember one time roderic day tried pointing this out on twitter that it was poor satire because of course americans are just going to identify with the fascists and got dogpiled for it
It's a frustrating outcome and a misreading of the audience to expect anything else but I'd argue that it proves that the movie is a perfect satire.
if the point of the satire is to criticize what you're satirizing but the audience largely doesnt actually see/agree with the criticism, can u really call it good satire?
You seem to be assuming that Verhoeven exclusively made the movie for an american audience, which I very much doubt is the case.
It's excellent satire for a certain audience. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to satirize fascism in a way that's effective for an Amerikkkan audience. I think it's hard to portray fascism in general without Amerikkkans missing the point. See also: the reaction many people had to The Zone of Interest.
Homelander is a great example of this too. It literally could not be more obvious, but people still love him
You're describing literally all satire
I missed this. I like roderic but I sent him a whole essay about how starship troopers (the movie) is a satire of both liberalism and fascism but he wouldn’t publish it because he said it was incomplete.
It's the obvious route for the film adaptation to take I guess, although I am 100% certain that instead of adapting the wacky 70s sci fi elements and playing them straight what they're going to end up doing is some awful compromise where the "plot" is closer to the book but they try to retain references to the film and it'll just end up being a mess that sucks and gets forgotten until it gets turned into video essay fodder.
Oh so the whole movie is going to open with "Look at my sweet ass power suit that I drop straight down into from lower orbit bro, wanna know how I got here?" Then the next 100 minutes is the scene where Rico, Dizzy and Carmen all talk to the teacher about what being a citizen means and why the liberal removed used to rule were the worst humans ever. This followed by 20 minutes of hum drum action that is basically "Roboman stomps big bugs."
It's not fascist at all! It's just a story about how the ideal society is a military dictatorship built around endless colonial expansion and war of extermination against a faceless, depersonified other!