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I got suspended for defending myself against getting hit in the head with a chair when I was a kid. School policies are totally fucked. Guess they just wanted me to stand there and sustain massive head trauma? Assholes.
I got jumped in 10th P.E. in the locker room by a bunch of guys in the class. I got in trouble for defending myself with a weapon (locker padlock) and forced to apologize to my attackers who were not punished in any way.
In 12th grade in another state, I got attacked by a bully. I happened to have on me a rusty box cutter that I almost threw away that morning because it was falling apart. For some reason, I put it in a pocket instead. When I was attacked, I remembered it and used it. I got suspended for 3 days but the bully had to get tetanus shots.
When I was in school, if someone hit you over the head with a chair and you didn't fight back, you still got suspended because you were "involved" in a fight.
Because the fight itself is an inconvenience for the school. Also, they figure you probably asked for it at some point.
I got a friday night detention for throwing one punch at a student who was attacking me. I threw that punch after descalation did not work, and as soon as I saw a teacher I signalled for help. My dad confronted the vice principle who was the one who gave me the punishment and my dad asked him what I should have done. The VP told my dad I did as I should have and as what was expected, but that the school has a zero tolerance policy so I still needed to be punished.
Yep, if you're getting suspended no matter what you do, might as well go to town so that everyone else is to afraid to try again next time because of what happened to the last attacker.
Effectively, it's an enticement to escalate violence rather than try and diffuse the situation once violence starts.
We've a great phrase for that here:
"May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb"
(i.e. if you're going to be hung it doesn't matter if they call you a sheep or a lamb so press on)
"In for a penny, in for a pound."
But yours is more on point. :)
I always understood that phrase as more like "no point in half measures if the consequences are the same", because a lamb is a small sheep.
Yeah you could definitely take it that way. The first time I heard it I asked the lad what the hell it meant and that's what he told me. Both fit in fairness.
Edit: upon reflection I like your interpretation more
“They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago Way.”
Yep. I have been suspended twice for fighting. In both cases the other person hit me first. The first time it happened I didn't even realize somebody had thrown a punch and had no time to even defend myself. The second time I did defend myself, but it literally involved pushing the person away.
In both cases the school administration did not care and my parents went up to the school to make complaints.
It's bullshit, but this is exactly the problem. Schools have zero tolerance policies to protect themselves rather than to protect students.
Ya many schools have taken a zero tolerance route which means you don’t really get any punishment expect for expulsion. Something like that should have been handled in a much different way.