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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by UlyssesT@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

For me the easiest tell is the up front, unprompted, and unsolicited declaration of nonpoliticalness. When someone takes the time and expends the breath to announce how nonpolitical they are, what follows is almost always a rant about how everything/everyone else is too political these days, and that of course leads into something between status quo advocacy and outright reactionary/regressive sentiments for some fabled time before those wicked politics were visible to the nonpolitical ranter. centrist

People that are hostile to service workers. Some just want to take some ideological stand against tipping when the service worker doesn't really have a choice and needs those tips to survive in the current unjust system in a way where ideological purity gestures toward that service worker just look like being a greedy and sanctimonious asshole. The worst of such people will actually declare, shamelessly, that they believe that service workers don't deserve a living wage. The implications of that are gulag worthy.

I may get shit for this, but I'll say it anyway: this hair and beard combo, seen on living people. yes-chad I have yet to meet anyone in person with that look that wasn't a chud.

(If one of you is a comrade with that look, I am sorry in advance for the prejudice and if I ever meet you in person I will atone by buying you a drink or something.)

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[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Insisting that there is nothing questionable about works of science fiction/fantasy that have inherently evil races that it's morally right to exterminate and saying you're just being a sensitive snowflake if you find the concept off-putting

Bonus points if they use the Thermian argument when you point out the similarities to colonialist and fascist ideology, as if the creator didn't make a conscious choice to write the story that way

The Iron Dream pointed out how gross this concept was way back in the 70s and that really should've been the end of it

"But I need enemies that the protagonists can kill without getting into messy moral quandaries" that's what fascists, imperialists, and slavers are for

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wanna commit joker-troll every time some nerdass reactionary motherfucker says

“if you’re reading [evil species] as a stand in for minorities I think you’re the real racist smuglord

GAAAAAH you disingenuous fucks! I don’t have the fucking mental fortitude to try to explain why this entire history racial coding and othering of minorities makes it a little gross when somebody says they think it’s cool to exterminate all the goblins/orcs/kobolds/etc. because it’s all pretend make believe!

It’s not even hard to make a designated group of villains! These orcs are a marauding mercenary band, these kobolds sabotage mountain passes to rob and murder travelers. That’s all you need! The race essentialism just ruins a setting for me unless they’re like, actual demons from hell or cthulhu squids (even then I’m partial to an occasional chill devil or squid). Writing the antagonists, regardless of species or origin, as people makes for media that is so much more compelling.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I didn't even need the moral reason, the fact that it's incredibly lazy writing is enough to anger me

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Doublepost but

The Iron Dream pointed out how gross this concept was way back in the 70s and that really should've been the end of it

From the Wikipedia summary:

there is a casual mention that, while in this history Nazi Germany never came into being, it is the Soviets who have undertaken a systematic genocide of the Jews of Europe in this world's version of the Holocaust.

hmmm . . .

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Ah shit I forgot about that part. Big L for the author there but it's a good book otherwise

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Insisting that there is nothing questionable about works of science fiction/fantasy that have inherently evil races that it's morally right to exterminate and saying you're just being a sensitive snowflake if you find the concept off-putting

I think we have at least two of them on this board who are really defensive about the validity of Justified Genocide (tm) in Goblin Slayer.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Goblin Slayer is the second sussiest isekai after Shield Hero

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I think it's much sussier because it has sexual violence throughout along with the genocide business. Shield Hero is sexist but surprisingly close to the (disgusting) average for such fiction once you get past that first episode (which is fucked up pandering to red pillers). Like, idk, think about the typical isekai and it's astonishingly objectifying, to the point that it really feels like the MC views women in the fantasy world as truly being NPCs who mainly exist in reference to his sexuality, or maybe the MC is a Good Guy (tm) but the shot composition and animation framecount demonstrate that the viewer is not meant to have nearly so noble an attitude.

On the other hand, there's the pseudo-isekai Redo of Healer and the actual isekai Slave Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World, both of which are much worse but also essentially soft porn and therefore less likely to be discussed publicly.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Shield Hero is especially bad because its sexism is so close to (the incel's fantasy of) the real world. The titular hero has his life ruined by the dreaded False Rape Accusation and then fixes all his problems by finding (buying) a tradwife (underage slave)

I can never bring myself to make a work that's not morally ambiguous. I don't even like playing a morally upstanding MC as a good thing. My impulse was to exercise him of it with complex situations. I'll write pieces of shit (e.g. I like to use collateral damage to get back at people I don't like), but it's because they're pieces of shit for one reason or another (see: not their inherited nature).

I thought about trying to write a morally simple novel and couldn't bring myself to do it. Best I can do is "these capitalists need to be stopped"

[-] persolb@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Somewhere out there is a race of alien mosquitoes. They are inherently evil; even if it isn’t their fault.

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

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