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[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 57 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Are there actual design problems or is it just that Burgerlanders have no respect for train right-of-way? I mean, it's not like it's going to sneak up on and surprise people...

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 59 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The actual design problem is that it's running on existing at-grade rail because proper grade separation is too expensive for private enterprise.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Viaducts aren't even that expensive, its just expensive in america and other western countries because their construction industries have turned into massive embezzlement complexes where layer after layer of subcontractors and consultants all need their cut. 12 years and 30 billion dollars later the 12 construction workers they've actually hired manage to finish the work right on time for it to need repairs.

[–] ufcwthrowaway@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The other issue is that where a normal country has a regulatory state that says where you can and can't build and with what materials at which hours, instead the US has a system of public review periods and civil litigation. So a few concerned citizens or reluctant landowners can jam up the works for months and months through lawsuits, requesting additional reviews, etc.

When I was getting a homeless shelter permitted we had to fight the neighbors and their friends in city government for multiple years, and the whole time my team was getting city funding to fight them those whole two years, i think it cost the city 300k in staffing costs on our end alone (not to mention the city employees who got paid even more to Stonewall us)

We ended up breaking ground without a permit because breaking the law had fewer consequences than following it.

That was for one shelter. Now imagine a whole train system with 200 nimby communities along its route.

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Now imagine a whole train system with 200 nimby communities along its route.

And also imagine that none of the people working on it actually care whether it happens, so they'd never break the law to put an end to the infinite work glitch

[–] TheVelvetGentleman@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

too expensive for private enterprise

You mean to say that it would cut too much into profits.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] TheVelvetGentleman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

Nah, that's what capitalists mean when they say that, but it's not what that means. That's an important distinction.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

too expensive for private enterprise.

porky-scared-flipped NO YOU ARE THAT!

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This is a real Brightline grade crossing, for context:

Credit: Banks Rail on youtube

[–] regul@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Hoo-wee look at that nine lane road with a level crossing

American civil engineering is unparalleled.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeeeesh that’s sketchy - it would be illegal to build that here.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah, much as I like to blame drivers, this isn't really an individual problem

[–] miz@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the interesection of Death Boulevard and Car Crusher Avenue

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] regul@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's the latter

but also obviously American crossing gates suck as well

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is very true. It is becoming more common to use 4 actual gate arms to fully block vehicles, but many (most?) crossings only block the right-side lane on each side of the crossing, which means cars can do a diagonal maneuver to go around the gate arms. I'm guessing this is probably what is happening in many of these cases.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

When I used to ride CalTrain

CW: suicidemost of the fatalities were stressed high school kids jumping in front of the train on purpose
I expect something like that also occasionally happens with Brightline.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

per the COC thread that CW should be for suicide rather than self-harm as those are different things and non-suicidal self-harm is common

[–] regul@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What a fucking awful way to die. I can't imagine choosing to go like that.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's probably very quick but scary for a couple of seconds. Those poor fucking engineers on the other hand.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

CW- personal experience involving exactly this

I once was a few blocks away when someone jumped in front of a train. They weren't very mentally stable and had been in a downward spiral for a while. People I knew (who knew the person better than I did) said they just declared they were going to do it, marched right up to the tracks, and did it.

The length of the train meant that about a half-mile length through town was completely obstructed for several hours while cleanup and paperwork were done, and there was a milling crowd around the 50-foot-or-so perimeter. I caught a glimpse of a bodybag but people who were closer said there really wasn't much left of the body.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I live near a crossing that has very long shipping container trains running through it pretty frequently, I see someone race the train through the barrier about once a month. Never done it myself, I know for a fact that if I did my car would die right on the tracks.

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

there are actual design problems. see my comment below

The train kills 2 dozen people per year, this is not normal even in amerika

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Supposedly this line has barriers at every crossing, so it's just car-brained people doing their thing I guess.

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Its both. Or all 3 I guess.

  1. Non-US countries do a much better job of grade separating their high speed rail for this reason (among others). Introducing new level crossings is illegal even in the ukkk but in the US they don't care, most of brightline's route is covered in street level crosssings
  2. And also, the level crossings that brightline uses are dogshit, they're basically the same as all low speed rail crossings in the USA, a single bar for each direction of traffic (covering only the lanes going that direction, not the whole wide-ass roadway), depending on street layout they can be trivial to drive around, and often placed high enough that small vehicles can reasonably drive under it with minimal damage (it will hit their windshield and deflect up out of the way. I don't think people are doing this intentionally but it's not a serious barrier is my point).
  3. and finally, american drivers are pretty dogshit and often think they can beat the train (american freight rail is so dogshit that if you get stuck at a crossing you might be stuck there for 2 mins or 10 mins or in rare cases 30+ mins, so people not expecting an 80-120mph train feel incentivized to cut it close to escape being stuck at the crossing). It does sort of ironically "sneak up" on people. obviously there's plentiful warning signs but the ability to see/hear it coming is much less than with a freight train.

edit actually

  1. they aren't permitted to sound the horn for much of the route, which exacerbates the above
  2. there isn't even fencing along much of the corridor so they also hit pedestrians crossing outside of street crossings

only 13% of the fatalities are people in cars, most are pedestrians or cyclists. The first fatality was a young bipolar woman hit by a test train before it even opened, and the company insists on calling most of the deaths "suspected suicides" with no real evidence.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ugh, of course in amerikkka the one high speed rail line also has to kill cyclists and pedestrians more than cars.

joker-amerikkklap

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

bonus facts, its also of note that for all the hubbub in the US about how revolutionary it is/was to be doing privately run/financed high speed rail:

  • it actually was not high speed rail in any meaningful way until late 2023, almost 6 years after its opening, when the orlando segments opened (125/110mph speeds). The original west palm beach to miami segment, like 1/3 the total trip is to this day capped at 79mph which is the same as amtrak speeds in most of the country, and the same top speed as the local commuter rail that it shares tracks with. nothing special
  • it is still slower than driving (not a deal breaker, but again, comparable to short/medium distances on amtrak)
  • it was financed using tax-free bonds, of the type usually only available to municipalities
  • despite the above financing advantages it a) has never turned a profit and b) has actually negatively affected the municipal bond market as a whole by skipping interest payments

It has better hype and marketing than anything, and US train enthusiasts are so cucked they feel they have no choice but to stan, I guess