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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 72 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

In a civilized country these things simply wouldn't happen.
Not paying an employee is simply illegal, and If what is happening in USA now happened here, we have public funds guaranteeing any unpaid employee by any employer get their money. Usually used for private companies that go bankrupt.

USA is such a shitty country, their regulation is of the caliber that would only be expected of a very poor developing country that lack resources to do better.

I don't think most Americans are even close to understanding how shitty USA is as a country. It permeates everything because Americans accept their society to be shitty, because they kind of accept a minimal government that doesn't even work.

Having a country with a two party system that begs for stalemates, and then is incapable of handling a stalemate is such tremendous lack of foresight, I bet most kindergartens are run better.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think most Americans are even close to understanding how shitty USA is as a country.

They're brainwashed from birth to believe they're the greatest country in the world. Most of them never question it. Those that do need years to overcome the beliefs embedded in their heads.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes American exceptionalism is pretty crazy.

The arrogance of calling a national championship "World Series" is a very clear example of that, and also calling the country America is another blatant example of exceptionalism.
It is this exceptionalism that makes Trump believe he can bully the rest of the world into submission. But all it will do is accelerate the fall of USA from being the de facto world leader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey now, it's the World Series because Canada is involved! Canada & USA is the entire world, right?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Almost but not quite.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not paying an employee is simply illegal, and If what is happening in USA now happened here, we have public funds guaranteeing any unpaid employee by any employer get their money. Usually used for private companies that go bankrupt.

Laws in most civilized countries simply say that if new budget is not passed in time the previous budget continues or default budget covering basic expenses (like federal workers salaries, bills etc.) is automatically created. Shutting down government is simply not an option.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

True, I have not heard of other countries that do what USA is doing with the shutdown.
Americans are such a bunch of amateurs on democracy, despite they were among the first to use it!
Or maybe because of it? They sorely need a major reform of their democracy. But it looks like it will probably be the wrong way to an even more authoritarian system.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The problem is that they were "early adopters" and created a system impossible to reform. Civil war was the perfect moment to do a major rewrite of the system. They had a human rights issue and their system proved completely unable to resolve it. Unfortunately instead of realizing it's broken and fixing it they did some minor changes and moved on. Now they have a constitution that is more of a holy book than legal document. No one understands it, the laws don't mean anything but it's sacred so it's impossible to even talk about changing it.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think they can't because their constitution is a holy text from the heavens and therefore cannot be trashed (or archived) and rewritten from scratch.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It literally has amendments. The latest one was ratified in 1992. The founding fathers considered the constitution to be a living document, hence why there is an amendment process.

Ironically, the people treating the constitution like gospel are the same people that keep ignoring it.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 months ago

It's the thing conservatives do. They just say stuff for effect and don't care about truth or consistency.

The Constitution is a perfect document that must be upheld when it suits their goals, and a living document that must be updated when that suits their goals instead. They are liars. They should not be accepted in polite society.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The same founding fathers that apparently thought it was a document that would probably be replaced after a few decades? (Or is this something everyone says that has no basis in reality? )

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Maybe? I don't recall them suggesting that it should be replaced every few decades.

Worth pointing out that there is a process in the constitution for changing the constitution, but there is no process for replacing the entire document. So I'd say there is pretty obvious intent for the document to change/evolve over time.

Hypothetically, we could amend the constitution to have a process for replacing the whole document though.

[–] lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep, if a parliament fails to pass budget "Supply" legislation in Australia there's an automatic procedure that desolves the government and sends them to an election.

And the public hate elections. Do it to them out of sequence without good reason? You're not getting back in.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

And I guess all the ministers lose their seats, that would also be motivation to get it done.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to know where you live to say that you're trending this direction too. If you're not vigilant you'll find yourself in the same position before too long.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That is only true to a minor degree regarding immigrants, we are not on the way to become an authoritarian hellhole, and our democracy is in no way threatened. We do not have a single anti democratic party in parliament among the 12 parties represented here, and we do not have the systemic problems or extremism USA has.

Saying we (Denmark) are heading in the same direction is a false equivalence. Saying it about EU is false too, although there are right wing tendencies in some regions, I am pretty sure they are temporary. For instance even if AfD should become the biggest party in Germany, they can never form a government alone (government is comparable to the US administration), except the checks and balances by parliament are way stronger.

By far the most EU democracies are way way stronger than USA, because they are not built undemocratically to be 2 party systems like USA and UK.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

The US lacks the resources to do better because the vast majority of its wealth is being hoarded by dragons. The peasants get moldy bread.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, if you have some other options you'd like to throw out there....

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Scandinavian model.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

We don’t have a “minimal government” because we still pay just as much in taxes and healthcare costs as everyone else. We just don’t see any benefits from that money, it all gets funneled to the oligarchs.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is the system republicans created and democrats cosigned. Republicans could at any moment dismiss the fillibuster and return these people to work but they've decided to let this happen to try and use media asymmetries to blame it on democrats in hopes they cave without negotiations.

Hopefully the democrats realize if they cave here they will never be elected again. Republicans will keep doing this until either they eliminate the fillibuster or they start caring about rules and the country so it makes sense for democrats to just hold the line and force some more permanent change in either republicans or the rules.

[–] Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey I'll have you know as an American our kindergartens are run terribly as well, at least in poor school districts.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Sorry, my bad. 😋