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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 96 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This is why no one trusts Democrats. The constant triangulation leaves them in this space where you can never tell which side of their mouth is the one saying what they really believe. So whenever they say anything, it always feels like they’re hiding something.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're also just as susceptible to the arguments Republicans make, so long as Democrats make them

"Oh border security" is an argument they used to viciously mock

Suddenly, it's an 'issue'? Is it really, or did the political party you lie down with decide they were going to stop fighting it?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 4 days ago

yes they implemented Romneycare instead of universal Healthcare/medicaid for all but that's only because it was the best they could do in a short period of time

Or from the dnc, we will have the most lethal military ever!

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What the hell is triangulation I have never seen that word so many times in my life

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

triangulation

It has other meanings, but In politics, it's when a politician adopts some aspects of the opposing party's stance on an issue in an attempt to shield themselves from political attacks on that issue.

The entire "triangulation" political strategy is credited to Clinton's presidency and specifically refers to Dems trying to appear above the fray as enlightened centrists by kicking the left and accepting the right's framing on issues to "get things done" and prevent rhetorical attacks from the right. That's how we ended up with the Dems passing huge right wing legislation like NATFA, the crime bill, gutting welfare, right wing private insurance reform, etc. It's a stupid tactic because the GOP will call them demonic commies even if they sponsor GOP bills themselves.

That's what the Dems became after the DLC party reforms in the 90s and they've spent more than two decades capitulating and pre-negotiating with themselves. Dem leadership is all from that era which is why you get people like Pelosi et al saying they want a strong GOP or whatever.

pepe-silvia

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The third sentence is the most relevant

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So it's not left or right, but some new third way soviet-hmm

[–] unaware@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Liberal Socialism Party (Hitlerite)

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Christian Democrat (Strasserite/Pan-Arabic)

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

IIRC I think one of the Chapos said that the Biden/Harris admin embracing "tough on immigration" policies looked to a casual observer like the Dems got caught doing what the Republicans are accusing them of (bringing in illegals to steal jobs and vote for the Dems) and are trying to backtrack in a panic. Why else would they be crying about Orange Hitler's policies in 2020 and then rushing to "close down the Southern Border if the Dem immigration bill is passed" in 2023?!

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

They were betting on voters not having any memory beyond like 2 weeks ago, maybe 2 months at best. If they think everyone only cares about the current news cycle than consistency doesn't matter at all, its all about the appearance of caring about [insert random current issue here] while doing zero to actualy address it in the long term.

In general it is successful as political strategy most of the time as they can control the media in the first place etc...

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Foxes and wolves, as Malcolm X used to say.