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95-97% of the people in a typical high finance office are working class or PMC people. The reason why finance is so lucrative is because it concentrated wealth so effectively. I know this because I was an IT guy in a very very high finance firm a long time ago - the vast majority of people are paper pushing schmucks and excel/PowerPoint contortionists and, like, 3-4 guys are partners or whatever and take the dough. And most of the times they're going to be at home or on a trip sipping martinis, possibly with clients. Another 4-12 people are going to be sharing a bit of the profits in exchange for overworking the rabble. It's a bit different nowadays since the quantitative finance people took over a lot of it and they only employ people that could work in tech but yeah traditional finance is mostly a PMC trap. The bourgeoisie is too smart to spend their life in a cubicle. At most there would maybe be the replaceable CEO.
This argument is like trying to claim cops are working class.
I was gonna say “IT professional for an admittedly evil corporation” is probably a bit too close to home for some PMC folks here to not identify with that position. But at the same time, every job I’ve ever quit has been because I learned about my employer taking on a client that rubbed me the wrong way. No bankers. No defense contractors. No government entities. No finance. Etc.
I know after a certain point it’s arbitrary but it helps me sleep and if I couldn’t code from home I’d just be going for disability, which has ludicrous restrictions in the US.
I never said working class. I said PMC. Ie, not bourgeois. Being a glorified excel formula or a janitor for a parasitic industry does not make you guilty and it's not equivalent to being a cop or a soldier. The class interests of those respectively are PMC and working class.
Fine. Change the line to "This argument is like trying to claim cops are PMC." then. Still has the same fucking point.
You keep harping on about janitors while completely ignoring the people actively managing and seeking better ways to hyper-exploit people around the world with their capital investments. Like get a fucking grip. Would you also behave this way if it was Wall Street that got hit? I suspect you would do exactly the same "Well accchhhtually they're mostly PMC and only the owners of firms were bourgeoisie" lark with them as well. It's fucking ridiculous.
The reason you keep bringing this back to the cleaners, the reason you keep stipulating them and not the others, is because deep down you fucking know they're not innocents, so you make sure to pick the people that are unambiguously the most innocent in the building.
I mean, an attack on any institution of capital will inevitably result in the deaths of working class people. These buildings require all sorts of support staff that I don't think deserve to be written off as collateral in the hypothetical revolution or in when discussing actual terrorism.