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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did they actually confirm it was a rifle round? Because me and some ex soldiers I know were guesstimating it looked like a pistol round sized entry wound.

I was personally betting it was a .38 round while others went with a classic 9mm. I ate shit because it was a distance shot and there aren't many carbines or rifles that do .38 that you can smuggle in easily whereas a 9mm rifle can be smuggled in via taking a glock and one of those fancy conversion kits that you just pop the pistol into and bam you got something that can reach out further than a pistol but can be broken down and hidden fairly easily.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I mean if we're putting aside conspiracy level skepticism that sometimes happens on Hexbear, the rifle found is described as

"a Mauser model 98, prosecutors said. The 30-06 caliber rifle fires cartridges slightly smaller than 8 millimeters"

I don't really know what that translates to in terms of kinetic damage compared to other rounds because I'm not a gun guy (yet!). But apparently it's sufficient for killing fascists so I'll consider it when it comes time to purchase.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And let's not forget that the bullet had traveled 600 feet (182.88 meters) before making contact with Kirk's neck.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

I think that's still considered point blank for most cartridges of the caliber, judging by a brief skim of the Wikipedia article. This this is supposed to be accurate up to ranges of 1000 yards, so a couple hundred meters is well within its full power still.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm gonna just say even at the clean end of ventilation wounds, a thirty aught six at under 200 meters isn't gonna be pretty enough wound to look like you poked a hole in a water bottle or like a classic movie squib scene.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could it have been loaded with a very low charge weight? Truly I've no idea if that would make a considerable difference, but it looks like some bullets on the market have much higher weights than others and, I'd assume, kinetic force too.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

There's always a possibility of that being so but uh you'd need to be really good at a lot of things to make that round go slow enough to not exit through that tender meat while having enough velocity to maintain its accuracy in flight. And I'm reeeeeeeeeeally doubting some dork-ass gamer from Utah has the time, money, and education to perfect the perfectly hand-loaded round that doesn't overpenetrate like 6-10 inches of neckmeat.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the video it looks like the bullet hit him in the chest center mass, but he was wearing a vest under his shirt. So it ricocheted off the vest into his neck is my theory.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

I just read a conspiracy saying the Israelis got him by using a shaped charge explosive planted in his microphone device on his lapel. Not really how shaped charges work nor something I'd want to gamble on for an assassination disguised as a shooting but I think it's a neat conspiracy.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's one of the original full power cartridges adopted just before WW1 for it's range and power across no man's land, and used in rifles and light machine guns through WW2 before being phased out during the transition to modern assault rifle calibers because the old rifle rounds were overkill at the new, shorter average ranges.