this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2025
1139 points (97.0% liked)
Lemmy Shitpost
34632 readers
3377 users here now
Welcome to Lemmy Shitpost. Here you can shitpost to your hearts content.
Anything and everything goes. Memes, Jokes, Vents and Banter. Though we still have to comply with lemmy.world instance rules. So behave!
Rules:
1. Be Respectful
Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.
Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.
...
2. No Illegal Content
Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.
That means:
-No promoting violence/threats against any individuals
-No CSA content or Revenge Porn
-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)
...
3. No Spam
Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.
-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.
-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.
-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers
-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.
...
4. No Porn/Explicit
Content
-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.
-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.
...
5. No Enciting Harassment,
Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts
-Do not Brigade other Communities
-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.
-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.
-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.
...
6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.
...
If you see content that is a breach of the rules, please flag and report the comment and a moderator will take action where they can.
Also check out:
Partnered Communities:
1.Memes
10.LinuxMemes (Linux themed memes)
Reach out to
All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules. Striker
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Yeah, let's just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who aren't on Russia's payroll, and right-wing "news" organizations. It's totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselves...
They haven't been on russias payroll for years.
They genuinely believe the shit they swill. By and large the paid agents were 5 to 10 years ago.
What's so insidious about russia's psiop over the last few decades is that all they've done is gently nudge the dial. They've sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, they've polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
And if you think "haha stupid MAGAs" falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you've fallen for it too.
You've fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didn't need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didn't do that.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists aren't innocent either, especially MLs (many of whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty of leftists I have interacted with or witnessed that are exceedingly fair, empathetic, and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing meaningful to improve their preferred party or seriously advocate for greatly improving the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
Politics and governance shouldn't be a game of tug of war where the Republicans have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats are pretending to hold the rope on their side. It shouldn't be a tug of war game at all - that is what breeds polarization. It shouldn't surprise anyone that a two-party system and biased, partisan "news" (that is literally entertainment) results in polarization.
This is all kinda my point. It's not like Putin is just broadcasting stuff at the West. Wherever there's discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Sure the talking points come from bad actors in the West but Russia are and have been quietly manipulating all the conversation around all of it. And yes they do it to conversations on the left and the right.
Saying I am propagandized with zero evidence or good faith argumentation does not prove your point - the ball is in your court to prove that I am propagandized.
Social media is largely US-owned and controlled. The algorithms could literally not exist, instead there be chronological or random ordering of posts and comments + auditable, fair moderation. Forums had their issues, but they were more fair platforms for discourse. Voting systems could literally not count for anything significant and not weight posts and comments over others.
Social media of the type that you are mainly referring to (where discussions happen in earnest) are a niche. Russia is not largely pushing right-wing talking points and polarization in a general sense - advertisers, right-wing organizations, liberal organizations, and social media companies are. And it isn't a secret or a conspiracy - social media companies create and control their platforms (including their algorithms) and partisan politics and media are constantly fanning the flame.
From Wikipedia on the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine:
Party or political polarization in the US is not primarily driven by Russia. It's our system and we can take responsibility for it instead of blaming Russia for everything.
Good thing you're immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the West's problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.
1 - where did I say I'm immune?
2 - are you ignoring the fact that Russia openly admits to doing this?
Yevgeny Prigozhin founder of the largest Russian troll farm
"I didn't say I'm immune to propaganda! It's just the propaganda I believe happens to be true! See, here's an unsourced quote that doesn't contain any concrete claims but certainly sounds sinister!"
Lol, I just noticed you're an ML. No wonder you're desperate to deny anything bad ever came out of Russia. Scuttle back to your tankie echo chamber.
Damn, you really have nothing except ad hominems. Guess what: the letters following my username in no way affect whether I'm right or not.
I refuse to engage with anyone from your instance
OK. I can't force you to act in good faith.
If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia. Not solely but enough to make them bigger than they'd be otherwise.
You seem to know more than me based on your response. You are claiming an amazing amount are funded by Russia, are there any decently recent sources which support your claim that you can direct me to? Do these people also take money from US-based right-wing organizations?
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals
https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/24/breitbart-other-alt-right-websites-darlings-russian-propaganda-effort/598258001/
Just some quick bigger stories. There are others as well.
Thanks for those! Good sourcing.
You know America is cooked because even the liberals refuse to believe that any flaws in their glorious perfect country are home grown. They can only be the work of subversion by evil foreigners
Yeah, I don't think they need to be on Russia's payroll anymore. They're in deep.