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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://lemmy.world/post/35806638

I literally don't see even a single comment saying that the Netherlands is bad for not having done this previously. Let alone anything like this or this.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get you're trying to run interference over criticism of Bernie, a sitting U.S. senator, but Eurovision hasn't been voting to send weapons to Israel.

There's been many votes and resolutions on Gaza that Bernie was involved in where people were hoping for him to make a stance he hasn't until now.

Eurovision participants? Not so much.

Even Beto, who is an out-of-office former house representative hasn't been in that position. He was last in office in 2019.

Expectations are way different in these situations.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I get you’re trying to run interference over criticism of Bernie, a sitting U.S. senator, but Eurovision hasn’t been voting to send weapons to Israel.

Yes! I can't tell you how many times he has voted to send weapons to Israel. Literally every single time. It is known!

Which one was your favorite? Which time did he vote for weapons to Israel that wasn't some wild mischaracterization like "his vigorous attempt to stop sending weapons to Israel doesn't count because actually it means he was in favor of all the other times we sent weapons to Israel (which he also vigorously opposed)"? Which bill and what did he vote for that was sending weapons to Israel? This definitely isn't a bunch of nonsense so I'd love to hear more.

(YouTube videos "people were hoping for him to make a stand" get the fuck out of here lol)

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He voted for the most recent Iron Dome package. I guess you probably excuse his votes before Oct 7th because it was before this recent phase of the genocide, but the genocide didn't start on Oct 7th

The contradictions are sharper now, but Israel has been a genocidal settler colony since it was founded.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like you missed the 'sitting U.S. Senator' vs 'Eurovision' point to peoples reactions and expectations?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Which one was your favorite? Which time that Bernie Sanders voted to send weapons to Israel? I can't wait to hear! Don't leave me hanging! I really wanted to hear.

I mean you're right to call me out on that other thing. I definitely remember the time when someone at Eurovision got up and did this, it was right between Spain and Portugal. I do agree, it would be wonderful if someone would do something like that in the US Senate, not just at Eurovision. It's honestly shameful that Bernie Sanders never did anything like that when Eurovision has been running commercials like this. Honestly, you're right, and I feel bad for ever doubting your insight here.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I cannot honestly parse this gish.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
  • Which one was your favorite time he voted to send weapons to Israel? I keep asking
  • You're talking nonsense since Bernie Sanders has been extremely vigorous about opposing Israel (pretty obviously more so than Eurovision is) in a bunch of specific and material ways, here are some examples

Does that way of explaining it make sense?

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You do realize it wasn't about Bernie's positions? It was just that him being a US senator enjoins a different level of scrutiny, for reasons such as: Congress funds Israel's military and Eurovision does not. (Or as far as I know.)

People saw his opposition to funding weapons and wanted him to call it a genocide, which he hadn't until today. Hence, expectations and the 'finally' sentiment being expressed.

I don't know why you're on this refrain of asking about my 'favorite time'.

Totally, totally. So when did he vote to send weapons to Israel?