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I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
MLK Jr once said it wasn't the KKK holding progress back, but the white moderate. In this day and age, moderate democrats/center are the absolute definition of what MLK was warning us about.
MLK Jr. is speaking about people who claim to be allies but insist on doing nothing and rebuking the Civil Rights movement at every turn.
Which today are moderates and fake progressives/democrats. The players changed as the game remained the same
People like that exist today and they're in DNC leadership positions.
They do. I just see it used far too often as a condemnation of 'moderates' in general, when MLK Jr. had no problem with working with people who were far more moderate than him... as long as they were willing to go forward, and not backwards or remain in place.
MLK Jr doesn't exactly have his finger on the pulse of modern politics but I'm sure he'd slap anyone who decided to not vote or vote for Trump in the last election.
He would've slapped the Democrat Leadership from moving even more to the Right (with things like getting close to the Chenney Family) all the while one of the main strategies of the other candidate was to promise to solve the problems of the working class.
Yeah, Trump was lying his ass of, as usual, but clearly a lot of people saw "candidate that promises to improve my life" vs "candidate that doesn't even do that and cozies up with elites" and voted for the former or just thought "they're all liars" and didn't vote - relying on "fear of Trump" for the incumbent to get votes from an electorate which is economically crushed after 4 years of that incumbent's policies even while de facto telling that electorate that "we don't care about you", all while the opposing candidate tells the "I care about you" is the very opposite of an intelligent strategy.
So the supposedly "leadership material" at the top of Democrat Party applying for the position of "leader of the nation" literally followed the worst possible strategy when it comes to the vote of the low politically engaged working class (who don't live in the "couldn't give a shit about economic inequality" permanent online identity wars battlefield that is American "politics" nowadays), yet according to the Democrat Party tribalist club fans, the fault couldn't possible be of their incompetent, priviledged and "detached from what's the real world for most people" leaders and the fault is all with "leftwingers".
If America actually does keep on having free(-ish) election, people supporting this narrative are just making sure that after one or two Democrat Presidential terms, another MAGA type gets power again folowing the exact same strategy as Trump and they'll probably be a more effective version of Trump.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn't move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I'm prepared to be shown I'm wrong.
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn't people choosing to vote third party or abstain because "both parties bad". It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
Well, that or the vote rigging that Trump literally announced that they did actually happened.
People who voted for Biden in 2020, but refrained from voting Harris in 2024, overwhelmingly named left-purist reasons, and numbered in the millions
29% of the votes Harris lost were due to her support of genocide. (Source: yours, technically IEMU but that's where there numbers are coming from)
She gained 8M fewer votes than Biden (Source infinitebanjo, I CBA looking it up)
29% of 8M is 2.3M Numbered in the millions: 2, technically true I guess.
Trump gained 2.5M more votes than Harris. (Source: PBS)
The population couldn't vote Democrat, they were run over by the bus Dems threw them under. Blame most those most in power.
Now I don't want to blame 9-11, but it certainly didn't help
Maybe the Democrats should have stopped running such terrible centrist candidates in pursuit of Republican voters. Idk why tou are blaming leftists instead of the millions of disillusioned voters who see both oarties as nothing more than tools for the billionaires.
Both sidesing this is the laziest of arguments.
The democrats should have been able to run a half empty can of rotten crab juice against Trump and win.
Instead I'm here questioning the average intelligence of voting age Americans and wondering how long the education system has been failing us.
Well, that's clearly not the electoral environment we live in.
If you want to win office, you do actually have to communicate a positive idea of the future. Obama didn't win by saying, "I'm gonna continue basically all of George W. Bush's policies". Even though that's what he actually did, he still had to campaign on something a little more marketable than, "I'm not the other guy".
And he renewed the PATRIOT act, continued to use GITMO for illegal detention, and posthumously decided any male civilians killed by his drone strikes were actually combatants for reasons of because we want them to be.
The real brain damage is pretending that a few differences completely negate the absolute mass of similarities and continuity between the two administrations.
And Obama could have tried to prosecute Bush for that! He chose not to. He chose to double down in Afghanistan. His administration gave a shiny liberal seal of approval to all the authoritarian advances made by Bush, rather than dismantle it. And now we have Trump taking advantage of those very same policies!
The DOJ falls under the remit of the executive. If a former president were to be charged for their crimes, the sitting president would necessarily be involved.
I suppose a charge could come from UN court of justice and ha lol like our leaders would ever allow that precedent to get set
Idk what to tell you if you are just now realizing that voters are uninformed. People hate politics. And people know that their quality of life has been deteriorating rapidly for the past 5 years. Democrats said that they weren't going to change anything, Trump said he was going to change EVERYTHING. That same dynamic is happening all across the world right now, and liberals refuse to realize that no one is buying what they are selling.
"vote for us, we aren't outright fascists" is clearly not a winning strategy, but liberals continue to use the same playbook. Just look at Keir Starmer and Macron and tell me that this is a purely American problem.
The quality of life has been declining since 2016 but it had a brief uptick for a couple years in 2021.
I'm not holding my breath for the progressives to put their dick away and form a party or put candidates up so I'll keep backing the non-GOP party that has a chance.
Sure, but they shouldn't have actually tried to
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they're both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
Huh? Are you saying it’s impossible to live in capitalism and be opposed to it?
So you think capitalism is the best possible system and there’s no point in trying something better?
I don’t think you’re a leftist then.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
Yeah.
Pretty much