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I don't think we disagree much (maybe you do support anarchic actions, in which case I'd suggest you to read more about failures of adventurism), but I do think there's miscommunication one where or another based on your response.
There is no movement in the US, yes. That fact makes separate, disparate, anarchic actions dangerous.
Hamas does organized (even if decentralized) actions, which are justifiable strategically for that reason (among others). The killing of Kirk was not part of any strategy, which means that there is no organization prepared to defend against retaliation.
Hamas calculated their risks, and does constantly. Kirk's killer almost definitely did not, and I would guess has little empathy for those retaliated against, maybe even hoping for the retaliation.
Hamas does actions as part of a larger strategy which is prepared and for which next steps are developed with people ready to support. Kirk's killer did not, and if he did it was for a right-wing strategy.
Your last paragraph doesn't make much sense to me, sorry. I'm not sure how it connects to what I said at all. Doing something as part of a movement doesn't always implicate the whole movement? But it does allow a movement to act instead of being blindsided.
My point was, because this is so different from things like Hamas actions, and because there is no group asking for such actions, it's only dangerous. And so a trans person protecting themselves from it by being a snitch is qualitatively different from snitching on any resistance act that is part of a larger strategy
I agree that we don't know and I'm speculating on the hypothetical where the informant is trans. But that's the convo above? I was just replying to that.
We don't know the shooter's motives, but there is no way that this is part of any trans-supportive organization strategy, that would be a ridiculous claim. It has zero characteristics of any organized actions, and reactions until now have been perfectly in line with it being unorganized. I don't think we're better off with Kirk dead, genuinely. His impact is bigger now, and his fascism spread is only accelerated. I hadn't seen a single video of him for years and now the US is gonna move quicker to kill trans people than ever before, and to crack down and kill leftists too. With no propaganda push prepared, no defenses set up, this was an opening salvo across the battle lines at a fort without even digging a trench.
You are arguing everywhere about the specifics of the situation, but like Awoo, I am trying to get to the bottom of when snitching is acceptable, but I don't think it's NEVER a justifiable action. In this case, we should be thinking about whether talking had any positive impact on the way media reported on trans people generally (again, assuming the informant is trans). I think I agree that in this case, seeing how the media reacted, it helped nothing and was likely a mistake
None of this is a reply to what I said, really.
I agree with everything you just said in the first paragraph. I'm talking about making any sort of organized preparations before taking action to resist or anything. That didn't happen, so the acceleration of the hate and violence was worsened with no viable way to see any benefit. Kirk was a fascist and I'm glad he's dead so we don't have to hear him anymore with his fascist bullshit. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous that he was killed without any way for the vulnerable in the US to defend themselves. The killer would've done at least some benefit by doing disorganized mutual aid.
The second paragraph also has nothing to do with what I said. This person didn't "reach out to fascists to mark their friend for death," that he would be killed for it was set in stone pretty early on. And I'm not speaking about doing something for ones own benefit, Im talking about being willing to throw away someone working against a greater goal (who knows if that's this case? Above we were already talking in hypotheticals, so I'm still doing that).