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Too obvious to be funny, but i still wanted to draw a shitpost.

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[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yep. They lie about themselves and they're opponents. Just like their opponents do in an opposing direction. They lie to make the opponents look worse and themselves look better.

Just like you've done here.

Exaggeration of "enemy" faults while downplaying your own.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

objectivity is a myth and everyone is shaped by their material background

As we say on the show over and over again the atomic unit of propaganda is not lies, it's emphasis.

Citations Needed Ep 113: Hollywood and Anti-Muslim Racism (Part I) — Action and Adventure Schlock

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's hardly an exaggeration of enemy faults when the enemies self-identify as fascists or are a bunch of transphobes who can't even handle the existence of pronoun tags. And yes, transphobes and fascists are my enemies, these people literally want to kill me or want to deny my right to exist as myself in public and live a dignified life. I won't have that here, or anywhere we can extend our influence. As somebody else said, go to the bottom of the page and check our modlog. We're open and transparent about our moderation policy, everybody can see which mod actions were taken and why. For context, we normally have a person like that show up every other day at most, now we have to purge bigots all the time. Maybe your standards are too low to get this, maybe you think "nonbinary people don't exist" or "stop using pronouns" isn't hate speech, but it is. These are reactionary talking points and idgaf if you're fine with such people infiltrating your instance, we will keep our community safe from harm as we've done before when such issues came up. Being an inclusive, safer space takes active work and it includes stepping on people's toes and kicking people out who can't behave.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nope, I'm with you on all that. That's also not what the comic is highlighting. Trans people exist and deserve all the rights everyone else has. Transphobes are pieces of shit and should be dealt with accordingly.

"I think Western institutions and media are not being entirely honest about their geopolitical opinions" is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (16 children)

"I think Western institutions and media are not being entirely honest about their geopolitical opinions" is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

What you see is the logical conclusion of when you step back and realize that people are always supporting this year's war drive and claiming last year's war drive is ancient history and all in the past.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

What's the phrasing, show an example or two, don't just assert back your shit up bro

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[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

is aesthetically different or semantically different? because that's pretty much what I see. people get aggro about it sometimes but the semantic content of what they're saying is still what's in the image.

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[–] flan@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

This one is going to find a massive increase in use since federation

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Check the modlog, Doug, there is no exaggeration.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Don't need to. Saw how your users here descended upon my home instance the other day. You're hardly without blame around here

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck do you mean, Doug, are you denying all the apologia, fascism, colonialism, racism, sexism, ablism, and homophobia that occurred? And I wasn't there but I sure hope they gave the liberals of your instance hell for their imperialist views.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They came in with broad sweeping statements and assumptions paired with judgements and wishes of harm based in nothing but their own minds from what I could see.

There was also no shortage of an amplification of the message in this comic, all Western media is lying about everything all the time kinda thing. In the interest of full disclosure that's very likely an exaggeration itself, but I'd wager closer to the truth than what's here.

I'm not denying any of that happened any more than you're denying what went down on my home instance. I wasn't there

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

broad sweeping statements and assumptions paired with judgements and wishes of harm based in nothing but their own minds from what I could see.

cope unless source for the latter half of that statement, thats gaslighting, Doug

all Western media is lying about everything all the time kinda thing

Do you think that a white-supremacist imperialist nation would be honest about an enemy that it is currently at war with?

[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well done dropping the part where I explained that's likely an exaggeration. The source is out in the open. You're as free to look on my home instance as I am to look at your modlog.

I think they'd be as honest as their enemy is about them. Why would I assume that it's only one side lying about the other?

Beyond that the best lies are rooted in truth. Honesty happens with enough frequency to make the lies credible.

Then there's also the openness to influence I keep with people all over the world. Looking at varying points of view is so often the path to truth.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

You're as free to look on my home instance as I am to look at your modlog.

Yeah nah i've seen how the imperialist bigoted fuckers from your instance behaved on here so I am safe to assume that they acted as such on home turf. They fully deserved any hate they got.

I think they'd be as honest as their enemy is about them. Why would I assume that it's only one side lying about the other?

So you deny that the combined western powers headed by america are a uniquely evil white-supremacist entity that has brought terror and misery to the people of our world?

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not all western media is lying. There are a few okay podcasts, the Intercept, the Guardian is okay sometimes. Uhh... I can't think of any others off the top of my head right now. Pretty much all Western government organizations and individuals related to foreign policy are shit, I'm afraid. Like a couple of Irish politicians and a smattering of minority party people across the EU are the only real exception.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All media is lying to you a large part of the time. Yet it's only Western media you seem interested in calling out on it.

On the other end most media is telling you part of the truth or telling the truth part of the time.

They called it popular politics when I was in school

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Bruv Western Media is the only media I can read. I'm American. We're ignorant as shit. If it's not in English I can't do anything with it.

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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Both sides. Concern troll. Civility. Blah blah blah. Post examples or fuck off.

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[–] cynetri@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

Idk, I saw a few comments on that post that were bad but most of it from what I saw were decently calm disagreements, at least calm in comparison to being called state actors as OP did in the post

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It must be so cool not needing to ever actually examine a situation before knowing immediately what's going on and what the motivations of people are. Just super easy and gratifying, huh?

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