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I loved both the games and the show but I’m not so connected to the fandom. What is it they don’t like about her or the show?
Guess I'll put my two cents in, the writing has not been great in season 2, and unfortunately Ramsey is still learning how to act with a range of emotions besides "strong, mildly snarky, girl". Not her fault since she's still just a kid, but I can see why people find some of her scenes awkward. Combine that with the previously mentioned bad writing, and S02 just wasn't as strong as S01.
Combine that with neckbeards upset that the emotionally traumatized characters in a post-apocalyptic society aren't hot enough to match their fantasies and you get a lot of complaints online, with not enough people willing to defend the show to tell them to shut up and stop being horny neckbeards.
I personally am more inclined to blame the writing than Ramsey's acting. They made some weird choices about her character — just lots of little things that stack up to feeling quite weird
For me It's mostly that I miss Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsay acting together. They had such great chemistry.
They hate the fact they can't get an erection when trying to jerk it to the 14 year old character she portraits. Also Abby is butch but not lesbian, which they just cannot comprehend.
Ellie: “Hey, Abby, how did you get so jacked?”
Abby: “Every time I remember how much I hate Joel, I do one push up.”
Ellie: “Jesus Christ…”
I didn’t believe you until I just googled and saw how mad the fans were about literally this. 🤮
Like, Ellie is practically your daughter in the game. What the actual fuck?!
No wonder Bella ignores fans comments online!
I'm willing to bet a lot of those people haven't ever had platonic love, and confuses how much the game makes you care about Ellie, with romantic love.
Either that or they're just fucked up and should crawl back into their hole of shame.
If you would like to loose even more faith in humanity you can look up what the "fandom" did to Laura Bailey who voices Abbey.
I’d like to direct you to Elizabeth from Boston’s Infinite 😅
The whole rule34 CGI genre was invented because of her
I thought those people were already not playing the game. Are tourists pretending to be fans to stir shit?
My problem with tlou2 is that all the marketing leading up to the game heavily featured Joel, and then 90% of the game you play as Ellie. Felt kinda bait and switch. I watched the first season of the show but didn't really care for it so I tuned out.
I imagine that’s to ensure the huge shock of Joel’s death was kept under wraps. If Joel was mysteriously missing from most of the trailer, the internet no doubt would have sussed it out.
I loved playing Ellie. For so much of the game, I shared her deep desire for revenge too. And then playing Abby and growing connected to their story, by the end, I was so torn.
A really unique experience I haven’t had before in a game.
Just rewarched the ads. They are misremembering. It was very clear from the ads that Ellie wa the focus. Joel isn't even in half of the ads from before the game released, and barely in some of the ones he is.
You made me think I was crazy because I remembered mostly the commercials featuring the seraphites hanging scenes, the dance with Dina and Ellie kissing, and some stuff with Ellie fighting Wolves. So I verified, and you are misremembering. Just fast forwarded through every ad for the game before release, Joel is only even in, MAAAYBE half of them, if that. And barely in them at all in most of the ones he is. The one that features him the most is almost all footage from the first game. I'm also pretty sure that the devs were open about that fact that Ellie would be the focus of the game from the time it was announced.
Link: https://youtu.be/fZaNdTmmcpk
If anything the bait and switch was making people think she was getting revenge for something that happened to Dina.
Sure, but like... are we mad they didn't spoil major plot points and obfuscate the biggest death of the series?
I myself never had issues with the trailers and how they presented things. Though I am one of the people who would have wanted to play Ellie the whole first game as well. I actually rewatch the trailers for Part 2 pretty often and own the Covers and Rarities LP. I do know a lot of the internet is pissed off at it.
The Shield had one dude taking part in the press tour and all. Was in the promo material etc.
He was killed in the first ep to make a point to the audience.
They don’t think the child is sexy enough to represent the sexy child in the video games.
Yes that’s what they think. It’s super fucked up.
You love both the games and still managed to like the show? An anomaly. The games are written incredibly. Acted incredibly. With an incredible and complex story.
The show takes that and adds a heaping handful of “but what if we forget about the story part and made everyone idiotic and unbearable?”