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Male vs female gaze rule
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I don't understand this point. The reason they're uncomfortable with it is because they're drawn in a sexualized manner? But even if all else is true, men in comics are already drawn in a way that many men think is attractive.
At least that's how I understand the point of the "power fantasy". Or do they mean literal physical strength with the "power fantasy"? Because the sexualization of men is definitely not limited to muscles.
Assuming the power fantasy is not just about physical strength, but also (or only) about extreme attractiveness (as perceived by men):
That is an idea that could be true. Are there statistics about how close the typical male hypersexualization is to women's interests compared to how close the typical female hypersexualization is to men's interests?
I think this is the point. It's that both men and women are drawn in a way that attempts to appeal to men and less so what appeals to women (this is what men think ideal-woman looks like. This is what men think ideal-man looks like). This causes side-effects, galore.
Honestly dude you lost me when you started forcing a "ph" in the word fantasy over and over. Can't take this conversation seriously anymore. I've explained it for you, but alas I cannot understand it for you.
I'm not a native english speaker. I'm sorry if my spelling makes my comments difficult to read.
I think I mostly understood the point by now.
(I still don't get why the man would be uncomfortable with the alternative hypersexualization, since he already perceives the initial depiction as hypersexualized, but that doesn't seem to be central to the point anyways.)
Ah, no worries, I thought it was some sort of weird mind games being played so I stopped trusting the sincerity of your posts - my apologies.
The tricky part you seem to be hung up on is that the guy thinks that the male characters are hypersexualized for women, but in reality they are more drawn to be the power fantasy of men - the ideal / fantasy version of themselves essentially. So when the woman draws an "actually hypersexualized" male character, it makes the man uncomfortable. Thus he feels, briefly, what the woman feels reading most comics most of the time.
You did understand their point, they just didn't argue it well.