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What liberals opposed this? It’s weird that liberal is now a word Americans use to mean whoever they dislike. I know the right loves ICE but what liberal does?
From Wikipedia:
He used the word absolutely the correct way.
Hey look at that, more evidence of bernie being a spineless lapdog for the exact same powers he claims to oppose. This certainly proves the point about abolishing ice being wrong and doesnt show exactly how liberals allowed this to happen.
Bernie wasonly good in the sense that he radicalized a bunch of folks.
Literally every single democratic politician in office
Obama and Biden had full, 100% unchecked authority to shut down ICE but they didn’t.
Did they need to? Obama wasnt running 2025 ICE.
ICE has literally always been this way, just smaller scale and careful to do their bullshit out of public view.
I’ve been complaining about the migra since your people were bombing my country and calling me a wetback
They're raiding schools and courthouses my dude. If you think Obama tolerated ICE ambushing people at their immigration hearings than you are reeeeeeeeeeaaally dumb. Sorry not sorry.
You don't think immigration enforcement had been doing horrendous shit before this last year? At the school of the Americas border patrol agents taught fascist kill squads that systematically raping nuns is a good way to pacify a populace. It's always been a shit organization.
A frog in hot water you are.
You allllllmost made it to the end of my single sentence post.
Since you don’t seem to be a big fan of text, listen to this podcast which talks about some of the bullshit they’ve always been up to.
Buddy nobody is defending ICE here... except you... who's normalizing their fascist takeover.
Please provide an example of ICE not being fascist.
A frog in hot water you are.
Yes
Oh I forgot, the American left has gone insane. You guys punch left and blame Obama now, while trump and the right eat your lunch.
FYI it’s not Obama, or even trump, it’s your trash country and its trash people. As an indigenous person, im enjoying you morons eat each other, can’t wait for your country to die
Then why the fuck would you advocate for keeping ICE around? ICE has been harassing native people for being dark-skinned for its entire existence.
They never did.
Neither did 90% of what the left considers liberals.
You are literally proving their point here.
See that’s the problem, when did I advocate for ice? You hear what you want to hear and explode on anyone who even so much as asks a question. There is no more discourse, anyone even slightly right or even left of you is an enemy. That’s why you guys are fucked, and you deserve it.
You asked should Obama have abolished ice. I said yes. You then called everyone on the left insane and the entire country trash. But it's other people who explode huh? And if someone answering yes to a simple question gets that vitriolic of a response I have trouble believing you weren't advocating one way or another.
The world would be a better place if every American including you dropped dead tomorrow
Americans? NPR, ProPublica, Gallup, Vox didn't get that memo. Maybe online echo chambers that like dividing the left?
Reality check.
articles using liberal as left
How One Oregon Activist Is Using a Decades-Old Liberal Policy to Stall Green Energy Projects in Rural Areas
The “weirdos” shaping Trump’s second term: A liberal writer explains her journey through intellectual MAGAland
Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”
Exploring Young Women's Leftward Expansion
U.S. Political Parties Historically Polarized Ideologically
Increase in Liberal Views Brings Ideological Parity on Social Issues
Conservative, liberal Midwest college students talk politics while practicing empathy
Republican legislatures look to put local issues in liberal areas under state control
No, we're just adopting the definition the rest of the world has for it.
I'll take NPR, ProPublica, Gallup, Vox, and the way people actually talk around me over online zealots in denial about shit printed right in front of them.
I think you haven't been paying attention if you think those publications are using your definition.
You must have willful illiteracy or strong delusion: liberal is often written in opposition to the right or as synonymous with the left.
It's pretty clear with Gallup. On leftward expansion of young women, they express the spectrum of political views from liberal to conservative & from left to right as synonymous. The plot of responses to
shows
which means
The other articles consistently agree with that language.
We can see it in common language: when the right gloats about owning the libs, they're not talking about owning themselves. They're saying "the libs" are not right, ie, left. American leftists refer to themselves that way, too.
You're in serious denial to contradict plain observations smacking you over the head everyday. With that kind of invulnerability to information & inability to update beliefs according to evidence, you might as well be a religious fundamentalist: you think the same. Not a compliment. Work on yourself.
You must understand, the Russian and Chinese agents who seek to divide us are now turning Democrats against each over by bisecting them into “the left” and an ancient definition of “liberals” that would include George Bush Sr among other right wing characters.
That what the aim of these posts is. Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
Are these Russian and Chinese agents who want to divide "us" (who do you mean with "us"?) In the room with us right now?
I guess I can ignore about 150 years of history then, huh? Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, homie.
Liberalism
The pursuit of personal freedom is right-wing? I didn't know that. I still don't know that!
Does the left-wing oppose personal freedom as a top priority?
I don't know what source that is and I don't want to open that link again.
Liberalism also has the guarantee of private property as another "most important goal", which is why the ideology is so in favour of capitalism.
Also, liberals mostly focus on negative freedom, i.e. freedom from inhibitions, while e.g. leftists focus on freedom to do something.
So, yeah. Focusing on the freedom to squeeze your tenants for rent, destroy the environment, exploit your fellow humans, etc. is right wing.
If you really want to understand the "left-right" political framework, I can't recommends the channel "what is politics" on youtube enough. This video should be a short intro to the topic, while this one goes into more detail.
No, you don't get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don't in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.
Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it's neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly
You're neglecting subclassification
which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.
Let's not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.
I don't decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.
OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called "USA". In that context, liberalism is right wing.
How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.
No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A "social market economy" is still capitalist.
They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.
Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole "rule of law" bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.
Scarily enough, Eastern European bot farms with strong ties to Russia have been all over the internet for ages.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
Also, Microsoft releases reports on foreign influence ahead of US elections:
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2023/11/MTAC-Report-2024-Election-Threat-Assessment-11082023-2-1.pdf
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2024/04/MTAC-Report-Elections-Report-Nation-states-engage-in-US-focused-influence-operations-ahead-of-US-presidential-election-04172024.pdf
These influences now have moved overseas to the UK and Australia.
It's pretty universally accepted by anyone who cares enough to look that there are Eastern European (Russian) bot farms manipulating social media to divide and weaken Western countries.
And... the explicit anarchist is a russian troll now? O.o
I don't follow.
I was simply replying to the statement:
With some facts about that sort of thing happening, since many people seem to be unaware and take a similar tone implying it's crazy.
Just because something exists, doesn't mean it's valid to accuse someone of being that thing whenever they say something you don't like.
Nazis exist, too. That doesn't mean it's valid to accuse Anark of being a nazi.
yeah, it's how we got brexit and trump
Funny how they also sell the “solutions” to this scary “problem”.
Or maybe Democrat policy deserves legitimate criticism after repeated failures? No, it must be those scary foreigners.
Where's the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot? So far it looks like splitting up factions instead of that.
You mean like Bernie Sanders, who the democratic party fought harder against than Trump? Good luck getting a progressive candidate to pass through the party-controlled primary process.
Persistence is key, and there are other political offices & levels of government. Republicans didn't take power by limiting their focus to the federal presidency. Internecine battles don't necessarily promote more progressives onto ballots.
The problem is that persistence requires money to be practical. You're not going to find as many people to dedicate such a significant chunk of their lives voluntarily promoting progressive candidates (who themselves are running with low funds). It's not impossible for there to be some success stories, but the odds are so ridiculously low and even if progressives were to get a foothold, the billionaires would change the rules to favor themselves again. That's not to say it's not worth trying, but we have to recognize that how much things are stacked against us and that even the democratic party, seemingly our only viable path through this corrupt system, is not on our side.
I don’t understand the question. Can you please specify what location you would like me to provide example candidates for? Also, how many ‘s’ letters are in “strawberry”?
Maybe reread the question.
Oh, are we playing the AI game? Let's pretend we're AI. Here's some fun punctuation:
–—…―Beep bip boop.
That sounds just like what a leftist what believes slightly different than I do would say! They ruined leftism!
My favorite feature of being a lefty is how well we get along with each other.
My favorite lefties work on themselves and seek to genuinely understand the roots of any disagreement.
At the best of times, they cut through the crap by aligning with me on the basic values we all hold. Such as:
Isn’t this everyone’s experience?