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As I see it, we're at a turning point. Either we continue a path of escalation, or we back down, either would be feasible given our current position, but that said current position isn't somewhere we can stay. We either need to accept that sacrificing some global influence is necessary to avoid foreign wars, or that maintaining our current global influence inevitably requires putting soldiers behind our words.
This is a weird take... The war in Ukraine is largely being fought because Russia isn't going to stop with Ukraine. We're protecting our allies in Europe, and looking to prevent further escalation, not simply exerting influence on a far-away foreign war.
The escalating party is 100% the aggressing party that's invading a sovereign nation. That's Russia, not the United States.
I mean, unless you're speaking as a Russian citizen? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point of view here.
This is the exact attitude I was trying to call out. We are absolutely escalating our participation in this conflict. Trying to strattle the line of participation, where nothing we do is our own fault, and neither are any of the consequences we face. Because I'm not sure how well you did in middle school geography, but the US is, in fact, not a part of Europe. This war has no direct impact on the US beyond the extent we choose to be involved.
Now if you view the benefits of involvement as greater than the risks, fine. That's a perfectly coherent position. One I don't agree with, but a rational position nonetheless. But to pretend our involvement is just a force of nature we have no control over? That's just a bunch of excuses to support involvement without having to openly commit to a position of involvement.
Lol, we tried your strategy, it just just emboldened Russia. Remember their attach on Georgia? How about their first invasion of Ukraine? Obviously, Russia wants to do what they want to do, especially if there's no consequences. Let's try this different approach and see if they feel being violent still helps them secure their goals.
Also, "appeasement" in this context should be awfully familiar to anyone vaguely familiar with history. It worked soooo well last time....
Your point being? There's only one Georgia I would care if Russia attacked, at it ain't the one they did.
First they came for...
If you seriously think taking some backwater nowhere gives Russia the military capabilities to invade the US, I'd like some of whatever you're smoking
Ukraine is hardly a backwater nowhere. It's a major industrial and agricultural player in the region. There's a reason that Russia wants it so badly.
Historically, nations with an appetite for conquest don't get sated and keep going. It cannot be tolerated for a nation state to just unilaterally conquer to expand.
Give an actual reason we shouldn't care about Russia's history of attacks, that show you're not ignorant of the topic, and I'll actually provide you an answer. Your reply appears extremely ignorant.
The onus is on you to show that a reason does exist, not on me to prove a lack thereof.
I agree, you should get informed on the topic, and maybe you can come up with a good reasons why the government should change course from it's current actions. Goodluck!
Lol you're the only one uninformed here since you've shown you have nothing except deflection and bullshit.
Are you seriously saying we should just stand back and let Russia take Ukraine?
I don't fucking care what happens in Ukraine
Your previous posts suggest the opposite is true. I think you need to make up your mind.
How so? I've repeatedly argued that it isn't our fucking problem what happens there.
That sure sounds like you care. Not liking something doesn't mean you don't care about it.
So again, I think you need to make up your mind.
EDIT: Wow. They went through my post history and downvoted every post. Hilarious.
What party is my party?
Given your extensive history, the democrats
The history you went through and petulantly downvoted every post in? Well I have bad news for you, I'm a socialist. I've made no secret of that. Maybe while you're downvoting all of those posts you could take that in.
Given your interactions here, I see little value in trying to talk to you elsewhere
You saw enough value to downvote all my posts in my post history. Including the one where I said I was of below-average intelligence, so I appreciate it.
Downvoting isn't a measure of agree/disagree, it's a measure of whether people think the content is a valuable contribution, of which I don't believe you make
I thought you saw little value in talking to me.
I guess that was a lie.
Don't forget to downvote this post.
I see value in correcting your false statements about me for everyone else present. Not because i think you'll genuinely be able to ever learn something
I think you see value in getting the last word. Feel free to correct that "false statement."
Per usual, you're incorrect. Just because I respond it doesn't mean I'm seeking the last word, and the fact that you're aiming for such an incredibly petty gotcha just proves why you're not a valuable conteibutor
Sure you aren't. Personally, I can't wait for each new hilarious reply.
By the way, you forgot to downvote a few posts in my history. You better do that so everyone can see how inferior I am to you.
Downvoting is whatever the fuck people want it to be.
I think Neville Chamberlain had the right idea.
I know a lot of Jews who’d take issue with that.