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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 235 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (23 children)

Is this not treason? Like legitimately, technically.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 179 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It may be a violation of the Logan Act, which makes it illegal for private citizens to interfere with foreign relations.

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 102 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

The Logan Act deals with private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. Unless he fucked with Starlink at the direct request of the Russian gov't, I don't see how the Logan Act applies. EDIT: apparently he did it after speaking with Russian government officials. So never mind, Logan Act is absolutely implicated.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 84 points 3 years ago (6 children)

Against Ukraine certainly, but since he's not a citizen of Ukraine, then no. If these were US forces that he sabotaged, or the US was actually fighting in the war then it would also qualify, but once again that doesn't apply. It definitely runs counter to US foreign interests, but that's not enough to qualify (and probably good it doesn't, a LOT of stuff people regularly do it could be argued would run counter to US foreign interests).

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 69 points 3 years ago (16 children)

He did this with federal funds. And the US hasn’t declared war since, what, WW2? The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, and we never declared war with USSR.

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 50 points 3 years ago (2 children)

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason

Espionage, actually.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 211 points 3 years ago (22 children)

It's cute how if Ukraine fights back that risks nuclear war, but when Russia invades a sovereign country it doesn't

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[–] taranasus@lemmy.world 180 points 3 years ago (15 children)

Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 63 points 3 years ago

Yes. Assisting putler's genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 49 points 3 years ago (12 children)

Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.

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[–] iyaerP@lemmy.world 152 points 3 years ago (10 children)

If he loves Russia so much, we should deport him there, and nationalize all his assets since SpaceX is a critical security apparatus and he's clearly the foreign agent of a hostile power.

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[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 150 points 3 years ago (28 children)

Elon is not the president, a leader, the military, nor a government. This parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least. This is fucking treason.

[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 53 points 3 years ago (3 children)

He controls 10K satellites, the electric car charging infrastructure, and a massive global communications platform. He's too big to control. Good thing we hero-worshipped him for years. 🫢 🤭

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 71 points 3 years ago (3 children)

He doesn't personally control any of that. Each of those organizations could continue on without him, probably happier to be rid of him.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 45 points 3 years ago

Yep. It's always good to remind everyone that he didn't build anything, nor did he found Tesla.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 138 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (51 children)

Fucking charge him with something. This is insane... If it's not treason, it sure as hell is undermining the billions of dollars in aid were sending Ukraine. We've sent 76 billion dollars so far.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 83 points 3 years ago (21 children)

Yeah, if an unelected CEO can tell a democratically elected government what it can and can't do we're no better than medieval peasants who had to bow and scrape for the nobles' favor

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 114 points 3 years ago (31 children)

I know it's an anathema to most in the US but the government needs to step up and take Starlink and Space X off Musk for a fair price. He's way too unstable to be trusted with tech that important.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 80 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

A fair price would be musk in jail for his crimes.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 51 points 3 years ago (1 children)

The older I get the more socialist I am. Yeah, take it away from his dumb ass, but don't keep it ffs. Make it employee owned. Make every business employee owned.

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[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 100 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Any system capable of manipulating the outcomes of international conflict needs to become property of the government via eminent domain...especially if that system is used...especially if used by an entrepreneur operating without oversight.

[–] thann@lemmy.world 40 points 3 years ago (19 children)

Deactivating US military hardware in the middle of a conflict sounds a lot like an act of treason...

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 99 points 3 years ago (52 children)

I mean if a person does anything directly affecting a war (for any side) I'd say that person is a wartime volunteer.

Wartime volunteers that have taken up arms are a absolutely viable target for military strikes.

Just saying 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 72 points 3 years ago

Elon is a Russian bitch just like the rest of the billionaires.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 67 points 3 years ago (3 children)

It seems like privatization is working out great for us 👍

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 63 points 3 years ago

If true, my respect for Musk just dropped a .... well, none at all. It would be totally in character.

[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 57 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

But the truly galaxy brain move is in this article:

After CNN’s reporting, Musk reversed course, tweeting “the hell with it … we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free.”

Gwynne Shotwell, Musk’s president at SpaceX, was livid at Musk’s reversal, according to Isaacson.

“The Pentagon had a $145 million check ready to hand to me, literally,” Isaacson quotes Shotwell as saying. “Then Elon succumbed to the bullshit on Twitter and to the haters at the Pentagon who leaked the story.”

[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 56 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Make sure to save this for the next time that shitbird or one of his moron suckups tries to say he helped Ukraine. Fucker oughtta be treated the same as any Russian collaborator.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 53 points 3 years ago (10 children)

Yeah we keep finding out more and more ways this mofo sucks. Somebody needs to strap him to the front of his stupid rocket and launch him into orbit.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 years ago

Muskovite belongs in prison with the other russian war criminals.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 49 points 3 years ago (2 children)

From the moment he gutted 80% of twitter staff very soon after a secret meeting with Putin, its all been pretty obvious Musk is a Russian asset. Twitter helped rally international support for Ukraine and he hasnt been subtle in sabotaging it

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[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 45 points 3 years ago

Throw that fuck in prison and nationalize all his shit.

[–] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 44 points 3 years ago (1 children)

“Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”

Yes my satellite that is actively being used in a war should be designed only for Netflix and chill.

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[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago

Fuck you, Elon - you festering vomit of a man.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 34 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 106 points 3 years ago (8 children)

It's neither of those things. Words have meanings, and legal terms have very specific meanings.

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (4 children)

He sould absolutely be in prison. He interfered with a military conflict.

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