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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
Due process is dead in America, homie
I'm pro gun, I'm just considering the statistics of a 4chan-er. Maybe that's profiling, but I'm not a judge. He should certainly have his day in court, I'm just predicting the outcome.
Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
You're spot on. I lean HARD left myself and still I'm actively advocating all my friends go out and purchase a firearm while they can. Not for some far fetched rebellion against tyranny, but simply to protect themselves from getting hate-crimed by the scum who will inevitably feel they've been given permission to do so by this regime. Furthermore if they do start deporting citizens for undesirable political behavior, I know I'd rather be six feet under than in CECOT or South Sudan.
Exactly. I'm fully capable of both owning a gun and advocating for gun control at the same time... People act like you're a traitor to the cause.
No, lots of liberal hate guns. Lots of leftists are either anarchist or communist, both of which support arming the populace. Many socialists support gun ownership as well.
😂 right! Like the fascist government that is now taking hold of the US. Not fascist enough to defend themselves yet?
I don't hate guns, I hate the "gun rights" movements and there fetishization of a skewed interpretation of the second amendment where any individual has the unalieanable right to own a gun.
Even if a violent revolution were to happen, which odds are 99 to 1 it wont happen in the US in our lifetimes, then people like op hoarding guns aren't going to help. A well regulated militia might but that requires social organization and discipline, which most people in the gun rights movement don't have the time or willingness for.
They aren't serious about using guns to defend liberty, they just like the aesthetic of it and make it part of there personality. So much so that they get offended by dumb and probably made up stories like this but not the countless other similar stories where there were no red flag laws and the gf gets killed.
Then they post about how the gun owners aren't doing anything to stop the fascist government. Yea, you've been alienating them for decades. They're not on your side.
They're saying that ironically because the gun fetishists always excused their behavior with fighting tyranny. Then matched in goose-step to vote for a tyrant
I think we just don't like guns.
I like guns.
nice
Eh, the cops are worse than the guns.
Don't be disarming when gestapo in roaming the streets.
(But Anon probably supports the gestapo tho... 🤷♂️)
Speak for yourself. God forbid men should have a hobby.
Are you really pretending this is about men having hobbies?
I use my rifles for hunting. Some people like collecting and sport shooting. Some have theirs for self defense in higher crime areas because they can't afford better. So yeah?
It can be a hobby, sure. But men having a hobby isnt was was being discussed at all. Nobody cares about men having hobbies, the issue is when this hobby is a potential threat to other people. Isnt this rather obvious?
You know exactly as much as I do about this hypothetical situation. Girlfriend cheats. Guy breaks up. Girl calls cops. Guy gets guns confiscated. If your argument is nothing more than "Well maybe he deserved it" you're an asshole.
Thats just not what im saying.
It sure feels like what you're saying is that due process goes out the window for things you don't like.
Where you got that from? Looks like your imagining a whole other discussion there
I'm probably just incredibly disillusioned and mad at the state of the world and the lack of nuance on the internet these days and taking it out on you. My apologies.
Lemmy wants it easier for cops to take away your guns, but simultaneously distrust the cops and want to abolish the police. So which is it lol?
But then again, this is 4chan so Anon probably is on the side of the tyrants anyways; they think they're part of "the good ones".
And they're probably borderline homicidal, just looking at stats.
Dunno, someone having guns to shoot normal people is a big red flag to me.
"Ah yes, someone is trying to break into my house, let's go down to the shop and buy a gun"
If you think before posting, ask yourself: is it normal to break into people's homes?
And even then, here we don't worry about criminals with guns that much. The USA is idiotic in that regard, with its pervasive gun culture, resulting in weekly mass shootings.
I didn't ask to be born in a country where burglars are likely to have firearms. But now that I am, I have to react to that fact myself.
I am pro gun control, but if I lived in the USA, I'd own a gun. My opinions are for the ballot box and don't matter whenever someone is breaking into my house and threatening the lives of my wife and my children.
I'm against gun control generally, live in the US, and don't own a gun. Why? The chance that my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.
So yeah, guns are more of a liability for me than a useful tool. However, not everyone lives in my area, so need for guns absolutely varies by area. I'd absolutely prefer an armed populace to the government having a monopoly on guns.
I do agree w/ sensible restrictions, and most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have. Most of the time, someone close to the shooter knew they were a risk yet did nothing.
Most firearm deaths are either gang related or suicides. The solution there isn't banning guns, but solving the underlying problems. For those, I support:
IMO, guns aren't the problem, they're a tool. We need to solve the actual problems instead of putting kid gloves on everyone.
Valid. But it's different if you are a transgender person living by yourself (i have heard and don't question the claim that transgender people in some areas may have their lives threatened)
Wasn't there a school shooting in America where the police tried to "contain" the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.
Right, which is a huge part of why I'm pro-gun despite not wanting them in my house. I think they're very useful tools to have for a lot of people, so they should be accessible.
Probably. I know there were at least cases where the police waited outside.
I'm very much in favor of arming and training teachers. I trust a teacher to protect my kids way more than a police officer, even if they're stationed permanently at the school. They shouldn't be compelled of course, but it should be an option w/ free training provided by the local police dept or gun club.
No. It's incredibly disturbing behaviour, and in the USA they are likely armed as well. They're not going to nicely ask you not to resist them. That's why you need to have a gun so you can shoot them before they shoot you.
With that mindset everyone will have guns, so violence then actually increases.
The only answer is to dearm everyone.
Yeah, I think we're all in agreement about that here. But everyone isn't disarmed. I won't give up my gun until I know with 99% certainty that your average burglar won't get a hold of an illegal firearm.
In most of the UK, even the average police officer isn't armed. (In Northern Ireland, the average police officer is armed, but the amount of times the firearms are ever actually fired is incredibly rare. Most of the time they go off is actually negligent. When they do go off, they are always investigated.)
The problem is, how do you disarm the bad guys when you've been giving them guns without tracking them for decades
What a terribly privileged take. Not everyone can live up in that ivory tower with you.
Someone having guns to shoot the boot soldiers of an unjust regime? All for it. Big green flag to me.
Those aren't exactly normal people.
When I said, "someone having guns to shoot normal people", I talked about the MAGA guys having those weapons.