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Windows loses 400 million users as mobile, Linux, and Mac use grows (www.techspot.com)
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[โ€“] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Mobile is the key here.

Wait, does Microsoft still have a mobile OS??

[โ€“] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Young people no longer own computers. They only use their phone. For everything. As an employer of young people the only computer they may have ever used is at school a Chromebook which they gave back when they graduated. If they aren't in school they simply will never own a PC or mac again.

[โ€“] njordomir@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is so whack. I don't get it, but it strikes me as true for many people 5-10 years younger than me. I'm the opposite. I want to use my desktop for everything and I'd sooner use a dumbphone/laptop combo than a smartphone with no computer. One thing I will never do on a phone is game. Sure, snake in the doctors office is one thing, but mobile gaming is so trash and scammy and bullshit that I just can't have any fun.

[โ€“] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Again I would like to clarify these are people who don't continue further education after high school. Many have access to their parents computers but simply don't use it or realistically know how or care.

People tend to think everyone is like everyone they know. All my friends PC game. All my friends have computers. There's large swaths of people in different social circles where console and mobile gaming is all they do. Hell many of my young people barely have email. They only look in email if we force them to for onboarding documents

[โ€“] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Young people no longer own computers.

The PC gaming industry disagrees, though. Half the user base on Steam is < 29 years of age and younger (and they don't count ages younger than 18).

Even still, gaming on Linux has exploded, and Xbox has been enshittified beyond recognition, so M$ is losing on all fronts.

[โ€“] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Steamdeck and others is helping those numbers a lot and I assume it will continue to rise.

[โ€“] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Are there any accurate figures for stramdeck users? I don't know anyone who has one, but plenty who have gaming PCs.

[โ€“] huppakee@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're right, but in the age group 18-29 the majority isn't a PC gamer. You have also a lot of creative professionals who have a computer. But a lot (might by now be >50%) don't have a laptop. Also in college more and more people only use a tablet. I feel also a growing number of not young people are switching to a tablet or have a laptop laying around somewhere for that one time you need it.

[โ€“] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Youโ€™re right, but in the age group 18-29 the majority isnโ€™t a PC gamer.

For sure, but we're still talking millions of young people with at least a PC (for gaming).

Also in college more and more people only use a tablet. I feel also a growing number of not young people are switching to a tablet or have a laptop laying around somewhere for that one time you need it.

Interestingly enough, the EU reports (as late as 2023) that desktop use to access the internet has gone down over the years, but so has tablet use. Laptop, phones, and smart devices (i.e. smart TVs) went up.

But I didn't see a breakdown of the age groups there, and it doesn't expand on gaming/non-gaming habits, just "devices used to access the internet".

I went through a phase where I did everything on Android tablets, then a Windows tablet, then back to a laptop. LOL I still have a desktop PC, but my laptop is my daily driver.

[โ€“] huppakee@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago

Interestingly enough, the EU reports (as late as 2023) that desktop use to access the internet has gone down over the years, but so has tablet use. Laptop, phones, and smart devices (i.e. smart TVs) went up.

Interesting for sure, desktop going down doesnt surprise me much but hadn't expected tablet use to go down as well.