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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Now I'm no economician, but isn't this like saying "we'll replace writing class with origami class?"

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

No, replacing income tax with tariffs isn't basically the same thing. It's worse. It is replacing a progressive tax (one that is easiest on lower wage earners and gets higher with income levels) to a regressive tax (one that more greatly effects lower wage earners than higher) because lower wage earners have to spend most or all of their income for survival, while high income earners regularly use their surplus money for things unaffected by tariffs, like investments, property, travel, etc.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 5 points 19 hours ago

*affects. What you wrote - that it effects low income earners - means the opposite, that it enables them.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Is it regressive though? Multimillionaires don't pay income taxes at all, they have no income. Elon musk isn't sitting down in April to fill out a 1040 or a 1099. They pay capital gains and other rich people taxes. With a consumption tax like a tarriff they'd at least be paying something even if it's a lower percentage of their wealth than yours or mine.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Multimillionaire do not, no. The ultra rich either have no income, have negligible income, or are compensated in ways that aren't subject to income tax. That's why there should be a wealth tax and sensible capital gains tax.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I agree. But wealth taxes aside, assuming the middle and lower classes end up paying about the same as they do now, the wealthy will pay more under a consumption tax (as in, more than the nothing they pay now).

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Marginally. They don't spend most of their money on goods.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Not most of their money, no. Way more than I spend on goods. Exponentially more. I have no faith that the current admin will pull this off in a way that benefits the 99% but it's not outside the realm of possibility that some form of consumption tax would. It doesn't have to be regressive.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There is literally no way to put a flat tax on goods without it disproportionately effecting poorer people unless it is exclusively on luxury goods they are not buying

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, if it replaced income tax, it could affect the wealthy who are currently paying nothing. It's not a perfect solution. If implemented right, it could be an improvement over the current one.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, so yes, more ultra rich may pay a little more tax than they would with income tax. But, the much more important part here, the poorest people will ALSO pay more in taxes, money that they do not have to spare. That is what makes it regressive.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

That's a good point. I forgot there were people who weren't paying any income tax at all at the lower end of the wealth spectrum.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's more like Trump saying "we'll replace taxes on me with taxes on you."