this post was submitted on 16 Mar 2025

53 points (98.2% liked)

Buy European

3527 readers

2306 users here now

Overview:

The community to discuss buying European goods and services.

Matrix Chat

Rules:

Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. No direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments.
Do not use this community to promote Nationalism/Euronationalism. This community is for discussing European products/services and news related to that. For other topics the following might be of interest:
Include a disclaimer at the bottom of the post if you're affiliated with the recommendation.

Feddit.uk's instance rules apply:

No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia or xenophobia
No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies
No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users
Do not share intentionally false or misleading information
Do not spam or abuse network features.
Alt accounts are permitted, but all accounts must list each other in their bios.

Benefits of Buying Local:

local investment, job creation, innovation, increased competition, more redundancy.

Related Communities:

Buy Local:

!buycanadian@lemmy.ca

!buyafrican@baraza.africa

!buyFromEU@lemm.ee

!buyfromeu@feddit.org

Buying and Selling:

!flohmarkt@lemmy.ca

Boycott:

!boycottus@lemmy.ca

Stop Publisher Kill Switch in Games Practice:

!stopkillinggames@lemm.ee

Banner credits: BYTEAlliance

founded 1 month ago

MODERATORS

buyeuropean@feddit.org

lazycog@feddit.uk

Where is lemmy.world hosted? (lemmy.world)

submitted 13 hours ago by MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

25 comments fedilink hide all child comments

I know lemm.ee is hosted in the EU, but I can't find that information for lemmy.world.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 26 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

AfaIk, they are hosted at Hetzner, so physically in Germany or Finland.

Edit: Source https://lemmy.world/post/22397634

~~Edit 2: The ip online tool on the website below indicates that it may actually be physically hosted in US (on a virtual server as, according to Wikipedia, Hetzner doesn't offer bare metal servers in US).~~

https://www.ipaddress.com/website/lemmy.world/

Edit 3: The IP is from Cloudflare, the servers are from Hetzner in EU.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 6 points 7 hours ago

AfaIk, they are hosted at Hetzner, so physically in Germany or Finland.

If I remember correctly, the main servers are in Hetzner's data centre in Finland with back-ups in Germany. Although they have a complex set-up so it may not be as cleanly divided up these days.

I suspect half the Fediverse runs on Hetzner at this point.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The US IP address is for Cloudflare, who are acting as a front end for things like DDoS protection. A lot of lemmy servers use them, which is unfortunate, but there don't seem to be any viable European alternatives.

You can check the details with the whois command. The relevant bit when querying for one of their addresses is:

NetRange:       104.16.0.0 - 104.31.255.255
CIDR:           104.16.0.0/12                         
NetName:        CLOUDFLARENET                         
NetHandle:      NET-104-16-0-0-1                      
Parent:         NET104 (NET-104-0-0-0-0)              
NetType:        Direct Allocation                     
OriginAS:       AS13335                               
Organization:   Cloudflare, Inc. (CLOUD14)            
RegDate:        2014-03-28                            
Updated:        2024-09-04                            
Comment:        All Cloudflare abuse reporting can be
done via https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse             
Comment:        Geofeed: https://api.cloudflare.com/local-ip-ranges.csv                                     
Ref:            https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/104.16.0.0

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you. So that's why you 'see' an US IP address while the physical server may be located anywhere, e.g. in Germany.

By looking at their Wikipedia, I've already found out that Cloudflare doesn't do hosting.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Cloudflare don't hoat sites, but they do end up being a 'man in the middle' attack on any site they proxy for, regardless of where that site is nominally hosted. That ends up exposing all traffic on those sites to a US corporation, and ultimately the US government. Considering that Cloudflare proxy somewhere between 19% and 40% of all websites, I think that's pretty alarming.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's not an attack of you pay for it

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't get the 'man in the middle' part. Is the ssl key for the encrypted https connection not from LW, but from cloudflare?
It's still problematic that they have metadata of the connections.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

For cloudflare to encrypt the traffic they need the key.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

But isn't for https the traffic supposed to be e2e encrypted between the client web browser and the server hosting the web page with the same cert? Does cloudflare decrypt and then re-encrypt the traffic data?

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

Hetzner also has US servers now, FYI.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

It's Germany. You can tell because the ToS mentions the service being subject to German law.