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[–] adm@lemm.ee 262 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (5 children)

When the war was turning in Ukraine's favor and they were about to push into Russia, he shut it off and crippled their counter offensive. I remember. Fuck Elon and fuck starlink.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Which is why Starlink needs to be confiscated and managed by NATO. Somebody has to operate it, and it should be an entity who is on the side of Freedom amd Democracy.

[–] starman@programming.dev 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's not that easy to confiscate sattelites

[–] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago

Sure it is. You just confiscate the infrastructure that operates them here on earth, and order their employees to comply.

I don't think that this would be a good idea, but it is definitely doable.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 136 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Not push into Russia, but attempting to retake Crimea.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 30 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

~~They're presumably talking about the Kursk Oblast.~~ Edit: probably not, see responses.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

IIRC that was long after that. The initial shutoff of Starlink happened around the explosions targeting the Crimean bridge and them introducing their naval drones.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 24 points 11 hours ago

Exactly, he basically messed up the offensive to retake Crimea.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 hours ago

Oh no I'm hearing from people that wa a technical glitch.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Musk and Starlink aren't major difference makers in this war. It's a years-long slog where the main takeaway is "cheap and reliable in volume is more than a match for the newest and fanciest." It hasn't been on the verge of turning in Ukraine's favor since the end of Russia's initial push towards Kyiv.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I have a buddy who's been eating/sleeping/breathing this war and, hands down, cheap and reliable FPV drones have changed how warfare is done. It's the main reason why trench warfare came back, and one of the things that fucked Russia up in the mid-term. Apparently they have a long-standing strategy that involves armor and something something something that my buddy explained and I don't remember, but because there's always drones watching every inch of the front at all times, Ukraine was able to bust that strat by being able to dial in artillery fast and early. At least, that's how I'm remembering what was explained.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's not rly the ability of drones to observe that makes them so strong, but the ability to attack. Russia's air defense is unable to stop a drone swarm, especially because its something the world hasn't yet seen. And if two drones armed with explosives take down a bigass helicopter, that's a massive win.

A few weeks ago, Ukraine decimated an oil refinery on russian territory with a swarm of drones of which only 40% were taken down by the russian air defense.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

I think it might be more fair to say that it isn't just the ability to observe. Drones have absolutely transformed the modern battlefield.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

cheap and reliable in volume

cheap and reliable FPV drones have changed how warfare is done

We're in agreement here. I'm not saying new technology is useless, I'm saying there aren't any wonder weapons (or wonder communication systems) that would have given Ukraine a decisive advantage.

Long-term, it's still a matter of which side can outproduce the other when it comes to the cheap and reliable equipment we're talking about. At this point that's clearly Russia.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Is that why you guys are welding cages on your tanks?

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian" was ran into the ground five years ago, get new material.

But yes, a steel cage offering significant protection against much more modern technology is a great example of what I'm talking about.