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[-] spicysoup@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

capitalism can not be reformed. the core value system of it and it's prevalent iteration of neoliberalism is based solely on exploitation, individualism, differential advantage and monetary profit and is antithetical to life and thriving of life. you can't fix this system with minor tweaks and reforms

the structural violence the plutocrats participate in and reinforce through myriad means like advertising and economic coercion is exponentially more devastating and deadly than someone venting like with this ceo shooting

edit2: the "real solution" is mutual aid, community building and dual power movements with an emphasis on anarchist ideas. to partially quote Buckminster fuller To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. but unfortunately sometimes the only language these monsters understand is violence, which is ironically what their colonial projects always claim about the oppressed

[+] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is no reality in which tearing down the US system of government via violence and forceful action results in a better system than what currently exists. There is no precedent for such a situation. There is no way foreign adversaries wouldn't leap at the chance to take control during the conflict. There is no way native adversaries wouldn't leap at the chance to take control during the conflict.

If that's your plan, a civil war that creates anarchy, then you might as well just hand the keys to the kingdom over to the richest americans because they absolutely would come out on top in that hypothetical.

What you're really asking for is just for Americans to kill each other off only to make things worse, to make the entire world worse.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

We are in anarchy at best under fascism. The rule of law is gonna breathe its last breath in January, so we better set up ways to exist without the protection of the state.

The strategy isn't to kill every rich person, but see that they undermine their popular support. Let the Democrats have no popular support. Let the rich desperately kiss the ring of the crazy old tyrant.

We aren't gonna need to kill Trump, just wait for him to die. He's done a fantastic job of ensuring that no one else stands out around him because he doesn't care about legacy. Even if he tries now, there's nobody who can take his place. The MAGA movement will fracture without him. It's what he's made sure of. We need to give the rich nothing to grab onto except him.

No more spineless Democrats. If they don't help us, let them flounder. I have no faith in the Gavin Newsoms of the world. We aren't gonna get far catering to him. We need build up independently, using an anarchist strategy of mutual aid outside of the corrupt system. We won't even need it for gaining political power, but to survive.

I'm not gonna do anything to hurt the rich personally, but I'm not about to stop anybody from doing that. Opposing violence hasn't gotten progressives much electoral political power recently. They still get branded as violent rioters as the police state expands. Their efforts then get watered down and turned into controlled opposition, despite them being the only people working to save liberal democracy.

The biggest thing we need is to build up our support systems for everyone, NGO style. Provide people healthcare, food, and other necessities. Electoral politics should be ignored until we get closer to the midterms. By then we'll know better what can and can't be done.