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I mean, evacuation is impossible at this point isnt it? Where would they go? Back to the levelled north? Force their way into Egypt? The fact that they aren't all dead yet doesn't disprove that Israel's intent is to cause it, they just haven't finished yet.
That’s not a bomb shelter.
Why doesn’t Egypt open the border? Why is there no evacuation of refugees by sea?
Oh sorry, I misread the article. It turns out Israel bombed a school that was situated in a refugee camp. It was being used as a shelter, that's much better.
But I looked into it and apparently Gaza doesn't have bomb shelters, so it would be hard for Israel to bomb them, I suppose. Too expensive to build while embargoed and not prioritised by their government, I will strike that from my comment.
There are many reasons why they are reluctant. Do you think Egypt has the facilities to house and feed 2.2 million refugees? Does any country?
Why should Palestinians be forced to leave when Israel insist they will not allow them to return to their homeland?
Yeah, Hamas are bastards. They have not allowed elections and ruled dictatorially for a generation, and do not have a right to think they represent the people of Gaza. The innocent civillian Gazan population don't deserve to suffer as a result. Hamas have done horrible things, not building necessary bomb shelters from an oppressive Israel is one of them. The lack of bomb shelters in Gaza does not mean you or anyone should condone bombing of a civilian population. They had the nerve to talk to NYT to say they were getting PTSD from running over too many unarmed Gazan civilians with a bulldozer. Actions like this make Netanyahu, and the complicit IDF and encourageable Israeli voting population bastards.
That this needs to be spelled out is depressing.
Is there, in your opinion ever a situation where the death of civilians is an acceptable trade off to reach military objectives?
For example: a school’s roof is used as a launch pad for rockets and its basement serves as weapons storage.
They aren't reaching military objectives. They are bombing schools and refugee camps with the intention of forcing the Palestinians to either leave Gaza or die.
We don't live in a Marvel-comic world of good versus bad. This is a terrorist organisation keeping a country hostage, versus a de facto autocrat with a doctrine to ethnically cleanse and reclaim Palestine for just inhabitation by jewish people.
In a population of 2.3 million, there are estimated between 20-30,000 Hamas fighters.
So far, Israel have killed 41,0000 Palestinians since last year. Going back further, Israel have killed 138,000, Palestinians since 1948 as they have slowly reclaimed Palestine.
And last time I checked, Hamas aren't in the West Bank, yet both IDF and Israeli settlers killed 642 Palestinians in the West Bank two months ago. How is that a military target?
There are utilitarian stances you can take on inadvertently killing civillians to achieve military targets with the aim of ending the war sooner, but this is just genocide.
Israeli settler terrorism is a crime according to Israeli law. It should be prosecuted accordingly.
Hamas is also in the West Bank, but they’re weaker there. There are plenty of other armed groups there as well and they have been active recently.
So much we agree on.
Just to go off the rails right after.
Should, but won't.
Netanyahu demonstrably is an autocrat.
Thank you for providing a source for this argument. The article calls him aspiring autocrat, and I don’t disagree with that. He’s a corrupt and very shrewd politician.
Because they don't want to finish like kadhaffi