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"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that 'some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest' of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called 'social fascists.'

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So if they can't vote for their views now, and we keep pushing the duopoly, when do we get democracy?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That’s the neat part… you don’t.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When you start doing things that actually work.

Look up the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell. They would show up at every local GOP organizing event with enough voters to make sure their candidates for jobs like mayor, sheriff, and county clerk got the nod.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Gotcha, I'll keep organizing outside the useless electoral system.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

That's a neat way to say "being too lazy to actually make a difference, but I don't want to feel bad about it".

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What laws have you gotten passed?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would passing laws be my concern? The answer is 0.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s a neat way to say “being too lazy to actually make a difference, but I don’t want to feel bad about it”.

Cryophilia said it better than I could, so I'll repeat their comment.

I'll just add that if you aren't interested in passing laws you should vote for Harris if only to annoy the Right.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That’s a neat way to say “being too lazy to actually make a difference, but I don’t want to feel bad about it”.

I don't believe the way forward is by passing laws in a system that cannot be reformed into a good one, so it doesn't make sense to judge my praxis by passing laws within said system.

I'll just add that if you aren't interested in passing laws you should vote for Harris if only to annoy the Right.

I think this right here illustrates your political views perfectly, "owning the chuds" is more important than actually working towards progress.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I'm sure your outside organizing will be much easier under the "let's arrest or deport everyone that does agree with us, burn all the books with ideas we don't agree with, and you'll never have to vote again" candidate.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t believe the way forward is by passing laws

Name one piece of actual progress you've made. One would be nice.

You probably love to rail at Obamacare and point out that it was originally created by Mitt Romney.

Maybe the ACA wasn't perfect, but 40 million people have some health insurance who wouldn't have had it without Obama and the Dems.

What have you done that's helped anyone?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What on Earth is this strawman tangent? Touch grass.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What have you done that’s helped anyone?

It's a simple question.

Either your way of doing things has produced results, or it hasn't.

Talk all you want about 'strawman' and I'll point to 40 million people with some kind of health care.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're still attacking a strawman, lmao. Again, touch grass.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's turn it around.

Explain why me asking you to produce actual results is a 'strawman.'

You keep saying it, so you must have an idea of what it means.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You probably love to rail at Obamacare and point out that it was originally created by Mitt Romney.

Maybe the ACA wasn't perfect, but 40 million people have some health insurance who wouldn't have had it without Obama and the Dems.

I have never railed at Obamacare, nor do I point out that it was created by Romney. You spent the next several comments working off of that same false assumption.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago

Explain why me asking you to produce actual results is a ‘strawman.’

No, I asked you to provide some actual results you've produced.

I cited the ACA as an example of something that has produced results.

You still haven't shown anything like actual progress.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's the thing, they never do. They have been pushing the lesser evil splitting the vote bullshit for over 150 years. The only people that benefits is the wealthy

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Were the party system changes before then more due to

  • a major party crushing the other major party, and then splitting, or

  • a minor party growing and eventually replacing one of the two major parties?

Bonus points if anyone has a source on this.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago

October Surprise comes to mind.