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Maybe we should defund the police.
Let's hope they tase some more rich white guys so we can get them on board finally.
They literally won't go in to those neighborhoods.
I used to think I was going to be a cop, I joined the explorers and hung out with cops, I went on rice alongs. I spent entire shifts following cops around watching them do cop shit my senior year of high school.
They would spend most of their time doing traffic patrols. The "good" cops hung out in more middle class neighborhoods, the shitheads specifically targeted poorer neighborhoods. No one patrols the affluent areas. When a call comes in they argue about who has to go. A domestic disturbance in the trailer park would get every officer not currently arresting someone out to see what's going on, because they're bored.
They know not to pull certain cars over, to look the other way when certain people are caught drunk or high in public. That's just the extent of the stuff I personally saw.
Doesn't surprise me, although eventually they'll get so brazen they'll go after everyone, not just the poor.
But that's not how it works. The police are owned by them. Unless you mean that they get out of control of anyone and then attack their old masters as well. But that seems like such a bad idea that I don't know if even cops could be braindead enough to do that.
Rich people have private security and doctors. If a rich kid is having a seizure an ambulance will show up not the police and if they did private security would escort the police if they have emt experience
Why are you conflating the class war with racism? There is only the class war.
Or replace them entirely.
I mean, they did go after a finance guy. that is what I'd like violent thugs to be doing, if we gotta have em in society. I feel like this one is more funny than bad.
yes I would be shouting bloody murder if they did this to, like, a random unhoused person, but this time was fine, too bad they let him live.
This finance guy? Who was having a seizure? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Stop that, please.
That entire "defund the police" is the dumbest idea out there. You NEED police, any society needs police. Either that, or next time your being assaulted or robbed, well, sucks to be you.
What the US needs is a completely restructured police system, from the ground up. It needs officers that received training, not the 3-6 months dicking around with idiots that teach them "anyways, then I started blasting". It needs restructuring of yhe laws so that they can be held accountable when they abusre their powers. They need to learn how to de-escalate situations instead of throwing oil on fires. Racism needs to be squeezed out.
This is how police works in other countries, this is why in other countries we actually like and respect police .
This also requires other changes in the US. This justice system based on revenge has to go. Focus on rehabilitation instead. You gotta limit your guns. I know that people start screeching at the idea, bit if by now it's still not clear that US citizens are NOT able to responsibly use their guns, then you have issues. You yourself might be super responsible but the next ten people are not. Take the guns away. Best would be all of it.
Those are things that will make your country nicer, and your police actually respectable.
While I agree that the system needs to be restructured, and rehabilitation and limiting of guns would be very very good policy. The idea of defunding the police exists for a reason.
US courts have ruled that police are not obligated to put themselves in danger for you. So if you are being attacked, and the police believe the attacker could pose a threat to them, they don't have to do anything to help you or stop the attacker. So next time you're being assaulted or robbed, it may still very well suck to be you even with the police in line of sight.
Furthermore, the police spend the budget that they do get on military equipment rather than training their officers in de-escalation.
So at what point do we stop funneling so much money into the police for them to waste it on things that make situations worse. We either have to defund the police and put the money towards other services such as social workers who can de-escalate through non violent means, or start putting restrictions on how the police are able to spend the money, and having stronger guidelines/requirements for the training they go through.
Defund the police means take their bloated military surplus budget, reduce it to reasonable levels and channel those funds into social services instead. It doesn't mean 'erase all cops'
They say something more precise
Defund the police is used uite successfully by extreme right to make centrist and moderate left look dumb
All of that is true, but our police also need to be defunded. Police spending makes up a huge percentage of most municipal budgets, and diverts money from other necessary and helpful things, like social workers, emergency responders, programs for the unhoused, education, etc.
Yeah but you still need police. You need well trained police who know how to de-escalate situations. It also requires a change in how usi citizens look at crime. Prison sentences in Europe are always een as too lenient and lax but that is because in the US they are to punish, to enact revenge for the victims. In Europe prison sentences are also meant to reeducate, to prepare the person to come back to society. If o get arrested in Europe, it sucks. If I get arrested in the US, my life is mostly over. Once you've been a prisoner in the US, and you come back into society, you're fucked. Good luck getting a normal job. It makes it that crimjnals are mucbore aggressive in the US, so police needs to be more aggressive too. You need to change how you handle crime, you need to rework your entire justice system.
Keyword: meant, but i get what you... meant.
No shit. That starts with reducing how much money they're allocated. That's what defunding the police means. It doesn't mean get rid of the police as your implying, it means give them less money, so we have more to spend on social programs, rehabilitation, and other things that actually reduce crime.
...'cos they blow it all on military-grade equipment, among other stuff.
Increase the budget for those things, keep the police budget the same but with the changes op is outlining and reduce the military budget.
Military spending doesn't affect municipal budgets.
police are essentially unneeded in a society that treats its members with compassion. That role is better handled by social workers. Defunding the police seems like a dumb idea to people principally unconcerned with compassion, but extremely concerned with a governmental occupationary force who, in a fit of paranoia, cant imagine that maybe humans arent rabidly violent without a looming threat of violence. One might in fact imagine that police themselves are responsible in part and often in whole for the many systemic failures that appear to justify them at their incredible unrivaled level of funding to you.
Also, you described reforms that would necessarily involve defunding the police. You agree with the position but think you dont because of the soundbite.
Defund the police doesn't mean no police! It means not giving them so much money when that money is better spent on things that actually reduce crime. 99% of all blue collar crime is due to poverty. Why only treat the symptoms when you can get to the root of the problem. If cops really want to stop crime they would be more interested in white collar crime as that has far more impact down the road than any other crime.
Then don't say defund the Police, say that instead. I agree that the US needs to fix a lot of issues, and you need police but restructured.
"Defund the pice" sounds like take all the money away and get rid of police. That's how many conservatives interpret it, and it's used successfully to ridicule the left.
It's not anyone's job to educate and cater to willfully ignorant.
That attitude will get you a lot more ignorant people than you'd like
Whenever i see guns in 'Murica mentioned i always remember these 3 videos.
I have so many questions, but I will limit it to one. Why are you content giving the power to defend yourself to someone else?
Because if you leave it up to each person to defend themselves, you have literal anarchy. You'll have the weaker that will be at the bottom abused and only the strongest on top. You'll have abuse and people getting away with abusing. It's the thing I'm happy is far, far behind us.
We all need trained police.
Police are strong and abuse the "weak". A monopoly on violence does make people weak.
I'm not sure if I am a top or bottom. I prefer horizontal.
No
Police is strong, yes, but in most countries they don't abuse the weak. US police is another thing, but US police is in such a bad state that most US citizens don't even know anymore what police is supposed to be for. Its supposed to be held accountable, it's supposed to protect and serve. US police needs an complete top to bottom overhaul and unfortunately loads of current officers should be fired. A national "don't hire" list should be instated. The police union as it exists today should be torn down and rebuilt too as currently it only exists to protect rotten apples.
But it won't be enough. You'll also have to change how US citizens see the justice system m. Currently it's used as a tool for vengeance more than it's a tool of rehabilitation. You gotta focus more on rehabilitation, people will get back in society one day and I'd like them less criminal, not more. Lower penalties and more pragmatic focus. Right now if I get arrested for a major crime in Europe, I'm in trouble but I'll get help and a few years later I can have my life back on the rails. In the US, my life.is over, so of course I'll be violent to the Police. Prisons must focus on mental health, education, etc.
You'll need to chante gun laws and outlaw most guns, leave a few options available for hunters, sports, etc. US citizens have shown for over a century now tha they can't handle guns responsibly. "But but I do" sure. But the other 99.99% don't. All that violence and regular mass shooting stuff is a unique US thing.
Next up is the racism and poverty divides, they gotta go. Tax the shit out of the rich, use the money to lift everyone up.
That will fix your issues, that will fix your police and make them a friend in the street
Prisons being run by private companies might have an influence on the number of inmates....
I'm so in love with the idea of a world with no police. A place where murder is acceptable and any crime you want to commit is never investigated.
You think the police is the line that makes crime not acceptable? Holy shit hahaha. Police officers investigating crime, like on TV? Haha
Hey everyone! A coward ⬆️
Yep I'm a coward, the guy who was arrested by the police for confronting my crack had neighbour for threatening my wife.
I'm the coward because even though I got in trouble I still support having the police around.
You know why?
Because I don't come from the cesspool that is America
Sorry. ACAB
I'm not even on that person's side but calling someone who doesn't want to be murdered a coward is brain-dead.
He’s not going to be. The possibility is extremely low. That’s just the feeling cowards walk around with. No amount of fascist class traitors can change the heart of a coward. But it never stops them from pumping their fear and bootlicking…
Murder is already acceptable if you're a cop.
I went to the cops with video proof that my neighbor was stealing stuff from my garden.
Nothing happened.
So I pretended to be away for the day and caught him in the act and fucking punched him repeatedly in the face.
I just found him bleeding on the floor. Must have tripped and fell. Idk why my cameras weren't working.
I had a racist neighbor get angry at me for “shielding” my mixed race neighbor kid (he was six) and he trespassed on her property, which was really just him walking in the easement between the sidewalk and the road and him looking for bugs.
I outweighed her by close to 100lbs, but she wanted to start shit and wouldn’t leave, and I didn’t want to hurt her but wanted her to leave. Took my leaf blower and just blasted it into her face until she ran away. Cops showed up and questioned me, laughed their ass off at the whole thing and left.
She is the shit neighbor who thinks it’s ok to walk into people’s yards if she “sees something suspicious”, which is really her just being a shitter.