547
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2024
547 points (97.2% liked)
politics
19098 readers
3289 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
No. We are considering multiple challenges at the same time.
His decision here does help unite the democrats and brings hope to the younger generations. But, this decision also does not absolve him of his war crimes. Both can be true.
He is stepping aside and letting his VP, who has very notably not supported Israel, take the lead. Can you shut your piehole for a second? You got what you wanted, "Genocide Joe" is no more.
She's light years better than Biden.
But she still takes AIPAC money, and spoke at their conference 7 years ago after they helped get her senate seat
https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/362782/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-palestine-biden-netanyahu
But we literally just saw public criticism work, why are you so quick to say we have to stop?
We can't just show up once every four years and vote. We need constant pressure on politicians for them to do the right thing
Because there's constant pressure on them to do the wrong thing, and that almost always comes with "donations".
Stop.
She hasn’t been afforded the chance in the current context to actually express her true stance. I expect it to be much more tepid towards Israel than Biden’s, but at the same time, we are trying to prevent a fascist takeover here, and it is a very fucking bad idea to piss off AIPAC in that context, as infuriating as that is to admit. She’s got to walk a tightrope to win back Arab-Americans that Biden foolishly pushed away, but at the same time can’t afford to have AIPAC putting all hands on deck to try to kill her campaign.
TL;DR: foreign influence organizations both covert and overt - including, but not limited to, AIPAC - need to be cracked down on aggressively, but I really don’t see that happening until after the election at the very least. And even then, the odds are low, because they’ll all just ~~bribe tons of politicians and offer quid pro quos~~ lobby against any such laws. Its a huge problem and it’s proven to be infuriatingly intractable for AGES.
if your goal is a world where no one ever says anything good about biden, ever, then you're in for a disappointing life.
also, if you think the united states will ever stop sending money and weapons to israel due to many many economic, geopolitical and military strategic factors--same thing, get ready for sadpepe.gif for the rest of your days.
Stop feeding him lol. Clearly incapable of nuanced conversation.
yea... he got boring much quicker than the other guy
LOL saying "biden did a good thing" is not supporting genocide, no matter how hard some people wish it were. as others have said, you CAN oppose some of a person's actions and praise others.
i will add though, for THIS election, trying to convince people that they're "supporting genocide" by voting at all is not only an egregiously, laughably flawed argument, but it's making things worse, not better
that's what's called a 'freudian slip'
And I think everyone should vote against fascism. Can you please stop this bullshit, all you're doing is pushing an agenda designed to get Trump to win and it's honestly so exhausting.
(And Trump is literally so much fucking worse for Palestinians)
Great. Then stop pushing an anti-Democrat and defeatist message any chance you get. I don't know what to tell ya?
I don't know how to tell you this cause you're obviously arguing in bad faith, but if you use every opportunity to talk about not voting for the Democrat, you are actively trying to get Trump elected and you are actively making the world a worse place. So could you please, please, stop this fucking bullshit now. Or at least fucking admit to yourself that you are not trying to make the world a better place, you are using one fucking talking point to sabotage every discussion.
you are making a leap of logic
am i voting for harris? yes. was i going to vote for biden? yes.
do i support genocide? no.
but your "solution" of vote third party, or don't vote at all, is a vote that is NOT canceling out a trump vote. am i accusing you of supporting genocide? or fascism? even though those arguments could be made, easily-- no, i'm not. do what you will, but trying to accuse people of supporting genocide because they vote D is some trumpy fucking bullshit
If the thing you give up is obnoxious axe grinding, then yes.
Oh God. You're right. I better vote for someone who's going to make the genocide stop by nuking them. After all, if we just completely eradicate them, then there's no more genocide.
Right? That's the answer you're looking for?
Right?
He is?? Well, I'm not voting for him or his son, then!
I guess I'll just have to vote for Harris instead then 🤷♂️
Maybe vote for the felon because the genocide did not happen on his watch, so he is free of all blame.
/S
And your not? Yout stopped paying your taxes right because it is genocide. I mean your not just supporting it out of a little inconvenience that might happen in your life right?
Do you actually care about the genocide in any actionable way besides yelling at people online?
If he did, he'd be doing something about it like protesting or getting involved with local government (which involve going outside, the horrors) instead of trying to act superior to a bunch of strangers on the Internet. Doing the latter takes absolutely no effort, so that's the lane he chooses.
bidens realtion to the actions to israel is equivalent to the voter/taxpayers relation to biden. both are bound in relationships that limit the actions they can take. Im fine with hey he could limit more of what we do in relation to what he has to do via congress but the whole supporting genocide thing then its like well then so are you and all the west by and large. you can't make one indirect thing as being the thing and not ignore the other indirects along the line and say oh well thats to indirect.
Good thing he bowed out then!
no he isn't. there are many world leaders and the us is not the only one with israeli relations and support and to boot he is not the sole government of the us especially in relation to israeli relations who has massive support with some congressmen.
No one fucking forgot we just dont want the guy who says he's going to accelerate the genocide to get in and with someone fresh it will be easier to pressure them to end our material support for the attrocities.