turtlegreen

Nothing is going to happen to the capitalists if they stop maintaining the front now, either.

I'd like to think I'm being a little bit more nuanced than that. My complaint is not about any field of study or pursuit - they're each great on their own - but about bringing together these very different things under one roof. The reasons why and consequences of.

If this was a mirrored anti-STEM hit then I would be criticizing myself with these statements. I'm not.

Traditionally universities were not vocational schools. They managed well enough for a long time, and they didn't stand as an impediment to society. Then capitalism came and exploited it and now engineers, artists, and diplomats alike have to deal with the consequences (which often means competing against other). My argument is that we should simply reverse the exploitation - of the trades, of the universities, of the students, and of access to careers.

If we're to go after the admins and loan servicers etc., I don't see why we should normalize the abuses they did to the system. There's really no point in going after the admins unless we're aiming for systemic changes imo.

As for my comments on "intellectual," it's not like someone has to be intellectual to be a good person or that it's really even that great of a quality. But since that is one of the arguments STEMlords like to make to belittle others, I think it is relevant to point out how training for a career in an applied science is not, all things considered, an especially rigorous intellectual pursuit. Which is fine because it is a horrible criteria to judge anyone by anyway.

I can definitely believe it. And no hate to your friend, or any tradespeople, or trades themselves. Some of them are just caught in a systemic scandal, which probably hurts 99% of them as much as it does everyone else.

"I paid the tuition of a 4-year liberal arts college to learn a trade, now bow to my superior intellect!"

I've studied all of the above and the "applied sciences" were by far the easiest (and least intellectual) in my experience.

Learning the humanities, on the other hand, is like studying a proof inside-and-out without a proof to actually study from. There are no toy models, components cannot be isolated, there are no authoritative references, you can't work backwards from the answer, you can't coast off of your classmates, and even the best teacher does not guarantee that an idea is going to click in any student's head. And that's just for comprehension - a productive mastery is even more intellectually challenging, with even fewer guideposts on the path.

Wrapping vocational training into higher education has caused untold harm to the world imo. Trades like engineering and software development should never have gotten mixed up with the university systems. However capitalism made it all but inevitable.

rolling people up into a ball does bring them closer together, but it's rude to abduct people in the middle of their day (katamari)