CascadeOfLight

Like some kind of... FACism

I know it's difficult for you, but please try to read more than the first six words of my comment. I'll await your better-informed response.

Are you trying to own me by bringing up even more good things the Red Army did??? Whatever, thank you for further proving my point comrade!

I was trying to make the question simple for you, but I see you can actually do basic research when you want to (even though you still haven't answered the simple yes or no question). Do you understand that without the Red Army, none of this that could have happened? That the Nazis would have killed everyone at all of those camps, and then kept moving eastwards, killing more and more people and plundering more and more land and resources, with absolutely no one to stop them? Are you getting this?

The Red Army could only exist because of the massive industrialization program implemented by the communist party of the USSR. No communists = no factories = no tanks = no end to the Nazi slaughter. The only system that has ever built industry at that pace, is the system of five-year plans issued by a central planning body with the authority to command how resources and workers are allocated! No other system in history has even come close! And even then, working at almost the fastest pace in human history, the USSR barely had time to build an army before the capitalists opened the gates of hell on them. So isn't it a little arrogant to just assume that you know better than they did how they should have organized themselves to be able to do that, while also somehow just never needing to apply authority in any way?

Yeah having just said that, after two days of shouting at an entire clan of brick walls I am starting to flag a little, but still, from time to time it's good practice to sharpen your arguments against the bluntest whetstones you can find.

I YET HUNGER FOR BATTLE, FEED ME LIBERALS

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say in the first part

that's a LOW bar. pre-communist times are a very low bar. nobody here argued that russian life was better before the sfsr

The literal entire argument is that Russian life didn't improve enough under the USSR as compared to a fictional anarchist alternative, such that communists are indistinguishable from fascists. That is the entire crux of the argument in this 400+ comment section. If it's a low bar, then how come no non-communist third world country ever had even close to that kind of explosive increase in life expectancy and quality?

when were we comparing that? when were we justifying the US?

I don't understand what you don't understand. You brought up Texas incarceration and death rates, and their contemporary characterization as horrific, and then compared them to USSR imprisonment rates as some kind of gotcha that the communists were unusally inhumane in their prison system even compared to the barbaric US, so I pointed out that as a beneficiary of imperialism the US doesn't need as brutal punishment in its own territory, it can reserve its oppressive violence for all its vassal fiefdoms in South America - such as, for instance, El Salvador.

where'd your series of questions about the purging of the statisticians go?

Huh??? I asked those questions and you just didn't respond to them or provide any evidence for your assertion, you just moved the conversation on to different points and I followed along. You and the other guy have a habit of just ignoring questions you can't answer so I just let it slide. But again, what are you talking about purging statisticians? You know that word has a specific meaning of being expelled from the communist party, right? It's not just a synonym for 'being killed', so what statisticians are you talking about that were in the communist party and got expelled for, I'm guessing, "showing statistics that Stalin didn't like"?

Answer this true or false statement: Did the Red Army liberate Auscwitz?

It's a simple question, just pick an answer. It's especially easy because I've already shown you a photo of what happened.

THE USSR ENDED THE HOLOCAUST

TRUE OR FALSE

Here's the Red Army liberating Auschwitz, which I assume you would prefer didn't happen

Removed by mod

reason: Red Fash propaganda posters? WTF.

Damn, good to know that gay rights are fascist

Edit: My post above was quietly unremoved after I posted this, maybe this time the mod will actually deign to look at some of it

Damn, I wonder what events occurred betwen 1930 and 1953 that would have caused a spike in both occupancy of Soviet prisons, and the death rate in them.

1942, I wonder what was happening in that year?

Anyway, nice cherry-picked comparison, let's take a look at the actual mortality statistics:

Well would you look at that, as soon as the genocidal Nazi threat against the Soviet people was destroyed, their life expectancy almost instantly doubled from pre-communist times. I believe neutral demographs would call that the second highest rate of increase in life expectancy in human history.

So a prison system in the incredibly wealthy imperial core, where the denizens can raise themselves up on the plundered blood and gold of South America and later the entire third world, has a lesser need for incarceration than a nation under siege from an entire planet of enemies who would stop at nothing to sabotage and destroy their state, and then enslave and murder their people. And the US has absolutely zero external threats on its entire continent - how did that happen again?

And how's the US prison system going now?

(It's the highest incarceration rate in the world, and by a looooooong way.)

And why are we only focusing on one communist state? Let's take a look at another one:

It's China, with the first highest rate of increase of life expectancy in human history. As a bonus, here's a comparison with India's historical life expectancy - almost the perfect experiment, as it gained independence around the same time as the PRC was established, had a similar climate and demographics, but did not have the benefit of communist central planning:

Simply taking the integral between these two curves and multiplying up by their populations means that the Chinese people were collectively afforded literally tens of billions more years of human lifespan - thanks entirely to the communist party and the communist people who supported it - making Mao Zedong the greatest humanitarian of all time.