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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by ItsPequod@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

Ryan Grim and co are such clowns, what is it about yanks that lead them to such defeatist attitudes.

Palestinians can advocate for themselves how they protest their genocide.

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[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t know wbo these people are

Ryan Grim and co are such clowns, what is it about yanks that lead them to such defeatist attitudes.

It’s the same attitude that propel them to have optimism and believe they’re the best at everything. If we’re not the best, then no one is good.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Issues with this post

  1. calling people electoralists who have openly said "don't vote for Biden"

  2. calling others electoralists while advocating electoralism (protesting a campaign implies there's a candidate worth voting for. It just does. Not gonna dance around word games)

  3. not every "pro-Palestinian" protest, especially basically all the ones in the US, represent any actual Palestinian thoughts. I cannot imagine that right now any Palestinian groups, led by Palestinians in the US, give a shit to protest AOC or any other politicians who have in any sort of way opposed Israel's actions

  4. AIPAC is spending record breaking amounts of money to defeat Bowman. Is Bowman "good" or "perfect"? No. But he calls Israel out for their shit (imperfectly, he's a fucking US genocidal hellscape country congressman). Ignoring the guy who is saying "hey, this is bad!" and focusing all your attention on basically any of about 400 other representatives would be far more prudent- if one was into electoralism, which one claims to not be, yet here we are doing it... circle goes on and on, snake eating its own ass

  5. anyone who just randomly accuses people of working for feds... blacklist forever. "Hello, it's me, the CIA. We can cancel that whole cointel thing... yeah, they just randomly accuse each other now. We don't even need to agitate."

Those are some quick "facts" as I see them.

My OPINION part is this appears to be a not-subtle AIPAC effort, or AIPAC boosted, to cause division ( ✅) and unnecessary discourse ( ✅) around the least genocidal congresspersons when anyone could target... I dunno, DWS, Torres, Gottheimer, there's three, but the list is basically all of the democrats (snd obviously Rs) minus like 10 who are saying "yeah, this is bad, actually." Protesting the latter group is objectively a waste of time and representing protests in the US as "the will of Palestinians" is... bad faith barely scratches the surface on what to call that. Not to mention an identity doesn't magically mean people can't be criticized on tactics nor shields them from being plainly wrong sometimes. I will ALWAYS call out anyone who says "X group has a right to do Y!" Because that's just self destructive liberalized IDpol BS. Of course I respect opinions from X group, probably value them more on the surface, but ending it at "they are allowed and you should stfu" is babybrain liberalism, and I'm not sorry for saying it plainly.

Anyway, Twitter being twitter. "Everyone is a fed except me, person engaging in not-federal posting!" Hard to take seriously in any capacity when the fundamental issue is "we don't believe in electoralism... so we're doing electoralism."

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