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Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev (www.euronews.com)

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“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 140 points 10 months ago

I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 88 points 10 months ago

The toys we're sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have...and they're fighting against a force that's getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war...all it would need to do is attack NATO.

[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 31 points 10 months ago

Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

72? Pretty generous. I'm pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.

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[-] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.

Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.

It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 82 points 10 months ago

Good news then: If you go to war with one NATO member you get war with the rest of them absolutely free!

[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.

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[-] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he's threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you're not invited to his birthday party...

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maxim Katz has explained that these kinds of deranged declarations are not directed at us. They are a kind of symbolic self-humiliation of Medvedev to prove to Putin that he is still loyal. It's "look I am willing to appear so wretched and ridiculous to the foreigners, I could not possibly be a threat to you, I am not some kind of alternative that could replace you, I am such a silly man, please don't throw me out of a window".

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

Speculation runs that Dimi has been told by the Tsar that if he acts like the tough guy he isn't with enough bravado, he'll be allowed to sit in the big boys' chair and pretend to be president again.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you

Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

When has either the Soviet Union or Russia “won” anything in the last 150 years?

Their “win” in WWII was throwing as many bodies as possible and starving their own cities to delay the Germans long enough for winter to set in.

Soviet casualties were 4.5x higher than Axis casualties in operation Barbarossa. They lost 21k aircraft to 2800 for the Germans. 20k tanks destroyed vs 2700 for the Germans. And 4.5 million casualties compared to 1 million for the Germans.

I wouldn’t call that “burying” anyone. The biggest effect it had was weakening the Germans enough for the Allies to finish the job on the Western Front and bail the Soviets out.

The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 80s because of the US funding the Mujahideen.

Their biggest victory in the last century was taking Crimea because nobody else stepped up to help Ukraine like we are now.

Russia has nukes. That’s it. Beyond that they’re worthless militarily.

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[-] carlosfm@lemm.ee 45 points 10 months ago

The second greatest army in Ukraine wants to mess with Nato? LOL

[-] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

War has fuck-all to do with rights. If you're going to attack a NATO country we will beat your ass back into the stone age without mercy, your nukes won't save you if you dare cross that line.

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[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago

So has Denmark.

Though it would be funny ig Russia didn't. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying "no, it's against the law."

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

I mean... he's not wrong? They could have a war with NATO any time they wanted it. Russia could have war with NATO whenever they want it. They've been very careful to not actually DO that, of course. Last thing they need is to start losing another one with someone who won't have any difficulty in bringing the full conflict right to them.

[-] LeftSaidFred@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 10 months ago

It's a very "hold me back, bros" sentiment. Only his bro, singular, is Belarus.

[-] squidman@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

But do they have the ability to war? 🤔

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They can't even fight a small country like Ukraine and they want to test the might of a fully armed and optional ~~Battlestaion~~ NATO alliance? Do they believe that anyone really believes them?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

Ukraine is no small country, either in terms of area or population.

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[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago

Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.

[-] straycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 10 months ago

History's on their side? Boy do I have news for him...

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago

A right to war? Are you fucking high?

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

These dumbfucks can’t manage a war with Ukraine. To state the obvious.

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

“Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?” - Mr. Blonde.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

And everyone has the right to shoot back. Not sure why such a declaration comes across as so one sided.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 10 months ago

Mate, you can't even win against a non-NATO country, that happens to be the poorest in Europe.

But sure, you have the right to have a war with everyone. Even if we all know you can't.

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

A house cat has the right to attack a lion as well...

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Well, yeah. Everyone has the right to make bad decisions

[-] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

I mean... I can't see any issue with NATO not stopping Ukraine from invading its own territory... the territory the UN recognizes as part of Ukraine... and which Russia signed three separate treaties promising to respect as part of Ukraine.

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[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Oh no, we're all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.

[-] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev

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[-] WiildFiire@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they're busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago

... I mean, ok?

Come get some.

[-] Llewellyn@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh don't bother. Medvedev is a joke. Always has been. I tell you this as a Russian.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

Krushchev is an interesting person to quote here. Wasn't he stripped of power by an empire that would utterly collapse within 20 years of his death?

[-] Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Okay...? Why would you want to though? Just want to kill a lot of people for no other reason than, "but I have the right to!"

[-] umbraroze@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

Freedom of ~~Speech~~ War doesn't mean Freedom from Consequences!

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[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Sure. And the mouse has the right to war with the elephant. But it's not a very clever thing to do.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just claiming you have the right doesn't mean you actually have the right. Ask January 6 trumpers for more information on that subject.

On another point: just because you can doesn't mean you should. You can kick a Lion in the balls but that doesn't make it a great idea.

Then again, I'm sure Russia's leadership knows this and right now is just posing like an 8th grader bragging about his uncle being a navy seal because holy shit, Russia is fuuuuuuucked.

For the next decades it will be busy pulling itself together, trying to rebuild an international economy that doesn't rely 100% on unsustainable practices of just selling all it's minerals, getting rid of the reputation that Putin gave it, trying to rebuild a military that isn't the laughing stock of the world... And all that is assuming that the country doesn't fall apart, doesn't dove into civil war and that say, china doesn't decide it likes the taste ofmsome of the pieces that are left.

Russia is fubar, and right now Ukraine is the victim, butt within this decade, the innocent Russian citizens will be the victims of it all

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Going to war isn't about rights. Rights are a soft power thing while war is purely about hard power. What is he even trying to say here? Like if there was a right and lack of a right to war, what would they look like? What would the functional difference between the two be?

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