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US and UK to back Israel over ICJ ruling after blurring their Rafah red lines (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

Please fucken tell me Biden is not throwing away his own chances to back a fucking genocide. You are sacrificing your own people at home so some dudes across the world can murder and take more land. Democracy is gonna fucken die in America because Biden is going to blunder his entire reputation siding with a fucken monster.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the masters of the universe in control of this country care not one fuck about "democracy". I fear this is how it ends. global disaster capitalism at its finest.

edit: as a point of clarification - the term "masters of the universe" as a metaphor for the excercise of financial power via us political structure goes back to at least the bush jr presidency and their war for oil (and defence industry profiteering). couple that with the past 100+ years of the us military being the enforcement arm of that power structure and we get to this... the us government openly defending and facilitating the obvious slaughter of palestinians in service of the broader hegemony. fucking sickening.

[+] psvrh@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 month ago

Biden doesn't really have a good path either way, and Netanyahu knows it.

If he goes too easy on Bibi, he loses support and Netanyahu gets Trump, which is great for Netanyahu. If Biden goes too hard on him, the same thing happens. It makes sense when we realize that Netanyahu's goal is to get Trump I'm office so that both he and Trump can stay out of prison.

What Biden is doing is probably the least bad option, and if he wins Netanyahu's toast.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

If Biden cut all support to Israel he would win the popular vote easily. I don't know what losing that AIPAC money does but is losing that really worse than pissing off your entire base?

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

His overall polling hasn't changed much since September, so I doubt Israel is moving the needle. If anything he's polling slightly better than before the invasion of Gaza.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

The couple of polls I have looked at appear to support this view. Any evidence to suggest otherwise?

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Support for a particular view doesn't always translate into support for a candidate.

For example, most people are against "shrinkflation". But when Biden declared his opposition to it, the polls didn't move. That's because people generally don't consider "shrinkflation" to be very important, so Biden's position didn't win anyone over.

Likewise, Gaza consistently polls pretty low as a priority, so changing his position on Israel likely won't help him.

In the April 2024 edition of the Harvard Youth Poll, which Della Volpe runs, 18-to-29-year-olds rated the Israel-Palestine conflict 15th out of 16 possible priorities. (Student debt came last.) Among self-identified Democrats, it was tied for third from the bottom. In another survey of registered voters in swing states, just 4 percent of 18-to-27-year-olds said the war was the most important issue affecting their vote. Even on college campuses, the epicenter of the protest movement, an Axios/Generation Lab poll found that only 13 percent of students considered “the conflict in the Middle East” to be one of their top-three issues. An April CBS poll found that the young voters who wanted Biden to pressure Israel to stop attacking Gaza would vote for him at about the same rate as those who didn’t.

[-] tortillaPeanuts@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The vast majority of registered voters support Israel Even among Democrats most (77%) will still vote for Biden even if they disagree with him. I had a hard time finding registered voters opinions vs Democrat voters, so I could be wrong. The exact wording seemed to make a big difference. The most disapproval was seen among young voters. This really isn't a winning issue on either side.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

If that's true, he could at least go hard and at least get something good out of burning that support.

Hell, he might just gain support from it if they spin it right.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Mmm, smells like genocide

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Countries that genocide, stick together on the same side.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The deputy foreign secretary, Andrew Mitchell, told MPs on Monday “the UK could only support a constructive plan for Rafah that complies with international humanitarian law on all counts”.

On Tuesday he told the UK business select committee that “the significant operation in Rafah, it appears, has not yet started”, even though 800,000 people had fled the area, including 400,000 who had been warned to do so by the Israel Defense Forces.

His definition of a major offensive – which did not encompass an operation that led to the collective flight of so many people – stretched the credulity of Labour MPs on the committee.

It seems, according to interpretation, that the US either feels it has persuaded Israel to adjust its plans to make them acceptable or, faced with an Israeli fait accompli that the invasion would proceed regardless of Washington’s objections, the US has effectively backed down.

The calculation may have been that the threat to oppose a Rafah invasion was useful in trying to get both sides to agree to a ceasefire, but when those talks collapsed, the US administration saw no alternative to the Israeli offensive that removes what Israel regards as the last four Hamas battalions.

The foreign secretary, David Cameron, said: “While there has been some progress in some areas of humanitarian relief, Israel must do more to make good its promises, and I am pressing them on this directly.”

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