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[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 130 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think the real division on the "left" can be boiled down to those using all the language and rhetoric of left wing ideology but in service of fascist and conservative ideas.

For example, tankies or people who have been brainwashed by tankies; a person can spend all day talking about how they support Palestine and BLM and LGBT rights etc. but then turn around and defend the CCP, which completely undermines any claim that they're actually on the left/center.

So in that way it's less of a "progressives never agree" and more of a "anti-progressive ideas are constantly pushed into progressive spaces to undermine them."

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, you can use that same logic on the US government, even Democrat run ones, which have supported genocides in the past and even current ongoing ones, and have tried to stomp out left movements, been racist, sexist, and homophobic. But people have still supported the US and the Democratic party and called themselves leftist. The point is, I assume as I'm not a CCP Stan myself or anything, is to give critical support to back an actual socialist project and give a counterweight to a pure single superpower world (esp. When that superpower has destroyed or undermined almost every left project it can in the world). Critical support meaning you pick out the good from the bad, supporting the good and criticizing the bad. China actually puts a leash on its billionaires = good. But they seem to be forcing some cultural integration of Uyghurs = bad. But they're providing lots of housing and cheap EV's = good. But they can have bad working conditions = bad. But they're helping support economies and infrastructure in the global South with the Belt and Road project = good. But they keep doing that shit with territory in the south seas = bad. But they seem to have a long-term plan for implementing communism that they are actually following = good. And so on. I do think some people go too far in being CCP supportive, but I also think some people on Lemmy go too far the other direction, and think everyone that gives the slightest critical support to China or analyzes some US propaganda on China a bit before swallowing it is a CCP troll.

In the end, it's a mixed bag, but I do think there is some worth to not having a single hegemonic superpower in the world, so other leftist countries or colonized global south ones have alternative access to allies, trade, and support without bowing down to the US and their often reactionary policies. Cuba for example was doing pretty good until the Soviet Union fell and basically the only market became the western, US-controlled one that they had been mostly sanctioned the hell out of. I wish it was a better country than China, but hopefully they improve their social issues as they improve economically, which tends to be the pattern. I just wish they'd stop doing the aggressive maneuvers near the Philippines and Vietnam.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what I see. Many people see critical support and assume it as uncritical support, then extrapolate nonsensical views from that. Like, if someone says they think it's cool that China has high speed rail, that doesn't mean they wish 100 Tianannmenn massacres annually and to personally fellate Xi.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But I’ve only seen good things about the CCP on TikTok.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 week ago

And Tiananmen Square looks lovely.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did something ever happen there, or why is everyone talking about it? /s

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think it is often more subtle than something like Tankies defending the CCP or Russia. A lot of people who call themselves left or progressive still think the world just needs the "correct" strong-man, when one of the biggest defining things of "left" is going against engrained power structures.

While it is possible to be left-ish and support particular leaders, it is seldom a sign of an actually enlightened person if they think only a "strong man" can fix things. Tankies fit squarely in the center of that, but there are LARGE fringes where people seriously do not understand some of the core axioms of "left" politics while also not being full blown tankies.

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[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 1 week ago

[ In fake Scottish accent ] They're natural enemies. Like fascists and leftists! Or neoliberals and leftists! Or moderates and leftists! Or leftists and leftists! Damn leftists! They ruined leftism!

[-] CuriousKrypto@lemmynsfw.com 26 points 1 week ago

You leftists sure are a contentious bunch.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE

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[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 week ago
  1. Anti capitalism is just anti capitalism. That's not a theory for how a society free from capitalism should work. Those theories will of course be diverse, and there will be disagreement.

  2. Divide and conquer works for detroying social movements, and is one of the ruling classes favorite weapons of class warfare. It's easy to get agitators to derail the conversation or movement as a whole. There are fundamental differences in what anti capitalists believe should be done and how power should be distributed. I don't believe all leftists think the same thing, but I believe that the vast majority of "leftist infighting" is just agitation by the ruling class.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Regarding point #2:

I am very particular about whom I allow into my circle of trust. That last 6% doesn't seem like much, but it is to me; if you don't believe every Nazi has a backpfeifengesicht, think capitalism should be "tweaked" instead of demolished, or complain about BLM or Pro-Palestinian protestors causing damage, then we're not gonna be best friends.

That being said, that 6% isn't nearly enough for me to consider you the enemy. Billionaires and the fascists they inspire are the enemies, and no attempt they make to divide and conquer us will ever be successful. I will march and scream alongside you in favor of the 94% we have in common.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I don't care who's standing next to me when we eat the rich. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

The problem is not enough people see the rich as the problem. Or at least, not as big of a problem as they are.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

backpfeifengesicht: a face in need of a fist. German words are so awesome.

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[-] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 week ago

Nah leftists true enemy is the luke warm centrist who will agree in theory but not in action. Fascists are atleast honest and easy to spot. Its the people in the middle who bothsides evey argument till we are sitting here watching genocide happening before our eyes and still nothing is done to stop it.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago

That's why even if I have my own personal views, I identify primarily as an anti-sectarian Leftist. Whether Marxism, Anarchism, or some other flavor of Leftism begins to truly lead the movement, it will be more important to push the movement forward than to spend effort on infighting.

Only a mass worker movement can get any real change.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I can get behind that. I'm not nearly as left as a lot of folks on this platform but in the US we're so far to the right that at this point we should all just be pulling left. We can duke it out once we move the Overton Window a bit.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

I would even argue that open discussion of ideas is fantastic and shouldn't be discouraged, but that this shouldn't stand in the way of praxis and collective action.

If Marxist groups are leading the charge and Anarchists spend more time disagreeing with Marxist principles than actually moving forward, or vice-versa, then those people are no better than Counter-Revolutionaries.

Again, if the Revolution doesn't exactly take on the character I want it to, I am still supporting it far more than criticizing it, because movement to the Left is the primary necessity.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Of all -isms that's probably Platformism. Whatever helps reach the goal. I find that pragmatic and rational.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 42 points 1 week ago

CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual

This should be required reading in every school

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago
[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

The real lefty nemesis are all the feds who pretend to be leftists until they see any leftist doing any real leftism and then they immediately shove the boot all the way down their gullet

[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

I slightly disagree with you here so obviously YOU are the fed!

/s

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 28 points 1 week ago

You just triggered all the tankies. They're now chanting "nuke the west".

This is the third time this week.

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[-] Taco2112@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

You lefty’s are a contentious people.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 40 points 1 week ago

You've just made an enemy for life!

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

damn leftists, ruined socialism.

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 18 points 1 week ago

You lefty’s

This bothers me more than any political disagreement ever will.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Holds 94% of the same political views, but misuses an apostrophe. Burn him!

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

MLK was spot on about the white moderate.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Malcolm X had similar things to say

[-] 1050053@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

The Judean Peoples Front. Or is it the Peoples Front of Judea?

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of when I was still religious lol. I was a part of the confusingly named Christian Church denomination (or something like that). But hey, because some churches believed in "once saved, always saved" we didn't get along! Which is hilarious because being away from it now all three of these very devisive topics

  1. Once saved, always saved
  2. You can lose salvation
  3. Pre destination

All are really talked about the same way. If you don't act in what people believe is a god fearing manner then you were never actually saved to begin with.

But for real, basically every other part of the doctrine is the same. Jesus was the son of God who was fully God and fully human who died and was resurrected 3 days later. But because they taught sprinkling instead of immersion for baptism oh my god what a horrible misunderstanding of the scriptures!

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 32 points 1 week ago

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

--Emo Philips.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Leftists biggest nemesis are liberals, and they think they have 94% of the same views but they do not.

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[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 15 points 1 week ago

There's a reason for the "joke": if you put 3 leftists in a room out comes 5 political parties.

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[-] ReCursing@kbin.social 15 points 1 week ago

Feels sadly true sometimes

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Don't forget leftists that actually share all the same views but describe them in slightly different ways.

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

This joke is old, but isn't 'leftism' is generally understood as aknowledging different and unique instead of cutting everyone to the same template?

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

The authoritarian "lefties" are more interested in authoritarianism than being leftist. They're praising economic systems like China's, which produces plenty of billionaires, or North Korea's, which cannot even keep its lights on.

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