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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 122 points 6 months ago

And suddenly, Israel seems much more interested in diplomacy.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago

Let’s hope.

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

I believe they're throwing a fit about it right now but we'll see. They don't have a lot of room to complain about literal tons of free guns getting shipped to them.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 108 points 6 months ago

Looks like protesting still works.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 51 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Let’s hope all of this diplomacy also works.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 83 points 6 months ago

We've been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for over half a year. We only now stopped one shipment. Think about that.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago

Best time to stop was yesterday, second best time is today.

[-] oehm@midwest.social 42 points 6 months ago

We’ve been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for decades

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

If we accept this as a justification for continuing, we'll never stop.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

It was initially for defense after a massacre when the Iron Dome was breached in October. That was completely justified support. The munitions sold since Netanyahu began indiscriminately killing Palestinians are not.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 45 points 6 months ago

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

And during that very long time, Eisenhower, Johnson, Ford, Nixon, Regan, Clinton, both Bushes, Carter, Obama, Trump and until recently Biden didn’t stop selling Israel weapons.

And now Biden has started to cut them off.

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[-] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago

I don't think it's possible to justify support for apartheid.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Nobody needs 2000lb bombs - which the US itself doesn't use because they blow up entire quarters and have massive collateral damage - for defense.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 6 months ago

It was never justified and this didn't start that day

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Correct. Killing Palestinians is not justified. What I wrote was providing defense to an ally that was just attacked is standard, and justified.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

This is the equivalent of someone taking your house and throwing you in the basement and then when you come out and attack decades later they fight back and say its for self defense. Please.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

These things take time, it’s shitty but this gives me hope that things might actually change.

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[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I am no friend of Bibi or the IDFs action towards Palestinians, but let’s be fair - the northern border has been lit up lately, and Biden is still a self described Zionist. Not ‘defending’ the Jewish state is going to be a big line in the sand for him

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 69 points 6 months ago

Great, now stop all money and weapons to Israel entirely. Every day Biden doesn't do this we get closer to a criminal orange man as president.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

While I’d love to see that, it would be unprecedented in the history of US-Israel relations. If it does happen at all, it will definitely come slowly.

Also, you may want to stop putting election abstinence out there as a consequence. We’re all aware that Trump will make things worse for Palestinians as well as everyone who isn’t a rich white American industrialist male.

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I'm just making sure everyone knows what the consequence is, whether I like it or not. It's Biden's job to do right by the people who voted for him no matter how bad the alternative may be.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

His job is to represent all Americans, not just Democrats. Many Republicans and Evangelicals believe in supporting Israel in eradicating Palestinians.

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

So is Trump's job to represent all Americans, even Democrats? Sure as hell doesn't fucking feel so.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That’s the funny thing about being President. They tend to do a better job when they’ve held office before. It turns out that real estate con men and actors do a pretty terrible job of representing the average American.

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[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

But what about the profits? You can't go around not profiting just because a few thousand children are being killed, disfigured and orphaned! It's like you don't understand neoliberalism at all.

Sarcasm aside, stopping the money and weapons isn't enough to stop the genocide because Israel never needed any of it in the first place. But if you funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to defence contractors, there's nothing the US government won't consent to.

Orange man won't be any different. He's not even trying to pretend it's not a genocide, just coming out and saying Israel should "finish the problem".

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[-] snownyte@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago

It took 35,000 lives for the US to finally do this?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

Nah. That’s happened before, and everything just continued. It took nationwide protests all over the news, as well as several outspoken members of Congress to make this happen.