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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 164 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

According to the article they might be doing this to further discourage people from bypassing the hardware restrictions for installing Windows 11.

Don't worry Microsoft. I am fully deterred from ever installing Windows 11 on any of my current or future computers already.

They wouldn't be acting like this if they weren't convinced that they are in a monopolistic situation that is strong enough to let them get away with it. They don't seem to realize how user friendly and approachable some Linux distros have become, or at least are making the bet that most of their users won't discover it. I hope this anti consumer attitude pushes more and more people into giving Linux a try, like it did for me.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Linux is actually becoming easier to deal with than Windows in many cases. Microsoft has removed so many settings from the GUI that editing of the Registry has become required even for simple things. That's much less user friendly IMO than backing up and editing a text .conf file.

lol they also (in 10 at least; I have no intention of touching 11) have like 20 years of incoherent and unconnected menus for different settings, and you just have to know where they are to get to them.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been trying to move to Linux for about 20 years, but gaming issues always sent me back to Windows.

I tried again after hearing about how proton and steamdeck have made it so much easier for most games and it's true. Been exclusively on Linux on my gaming rig since about September. The only one I couldn't get working was oddly a little simple indie game, it lagged badly while stuff like No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk ran fine.

Microsoft is pushing this at a very bad time, because you CAN game on Linux now.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah they're following the IBM playbook of being the operating system that businesses run.

I just wish they would take a hint and release a paid version that has none of the ads, none of the bloatware, and none of the bullshit.

I feel confident that I could pay them just as much money as they would ever earn from mining my data and annoying the ever-loving fuck out of me and I would be happier about that.

But since they won't do that fortunately there's things like Atlas OS.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I just wish they would take a hint and release a paid version that has none of the ads, none of the bloatware, and none of the bullshit.

They kind of do already with Windows Enterprise (or Education) edition. Its certainly not exactly what everyone wants, but its significantly better than the lower versions.

Many colleges and universities that have volume agreements allow their students to run Windows Education edition. If you're in this situation, GET THIS. Not only does it not cost you anything, but you'll have access to all the enterprise features for turning off lots of pushed garbage.

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[–] kennebel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I’ve been trying to switch back to Linux desktop for a couple of years. I’ve been very successful lately with “Pop! OS (nvidia)”, I think this one might finally stick.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago

This whole overbearing patronizing shit is what pushed me away completely from Windows, that and the privacy concerns. It just became too much of a hassle & chore to actually use and constantly "fix" shit that I never asked for, to the point where even the bits of Linux tinkering aren't as much of a problem in comparison. And thanks to Valve pretty much all games that I care for run without a hassle, or just very little tinkering. I haven't really found my favored distro yet after hopping for a while, but it's easy enough to switch anyway thanks to the Home folder containing pretty much the majority of what's important for backups.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are plenty of unsupported CPUs that also support the AI requirements. Basically anything with an AMD Phenom or an Intel Core i5/7 first gen or newer supports these.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a 3rd gen i7 that isn't "allowed" to run Windows 11.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, it's unsupported for other reasons. But if you bypass that requirement you won't get these warnings about the AI requirements, assuming you have 16GB of RAM.

[–] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I really want to make the switch to Linux but all the talk about having to troubleshoot every minor thing makes me nervous. What’s the solution to malware and virus? All of the options and sub options for installing and managing things feels so daunting! Dual boots have the nightmare of windows killing the bootloader, so it’s scary to even try and dip a toe in.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Just make a Live USB, boot off it, and play around. If you like it you can install it permanently, if you don’t, just reboot without the USB.

What's the solution to malware and virus?

There are anti-malware packages for Linux. I generally haven't felt the need to use one on a desktop. You're the biggest security risk to your PC; don't go to shady websites, don't download anything suspicious, etc. Your email provider will run a virus scan on email attachments for you (if they don't, get a new email provider).

On basically all Linux systems, software is installed from central repositories, basically the app store model. Packages are cryptologically signed to verify their source, it's a lot safer than the Windows model of "just download and run a .exe from the vendor's website."

The old argument of "no one runs Linux so no one writes Linux viruses" doesn't completely hold up to scrutiny, but on the other hand a lot of attacks that would be meaningful to desktop users are indeed written with Windows in mind; malware you'd run on Linux tends to target server applications that you probably won't run.

All the options and sub-options for installing and managing things feels so daunting!

This will become less of a problem with time as you become accustomed to the Linux ecosystem and discover the native ways to do things. On a system like Linux Mint, there's a thing called the Software Manager which provides an App Store like interface for finding software from both the standard repository and from Flatpak/Flathub. You may find that there are options from both, what I tend to do is just try them both and keep the one that is more functional for me. Give it a try in a virtual machine or from a liveUSB to see what I mean.

Microsoft does things like have Windows fuck up the bootloader on purpose so they scare you into not trying to take ownership of the computer you bought so they can keep abusing you. If you're too scared to break your main computer that you rely on, maybe go to Goodwill or eBay and pick up a cheap old used computer to experiment with. Grab an old laptop or something. I learned a lot about Linux using Raspberry Pis, which I didn't rely on for anything so it might have been inconvenient if I broke anything but not mission critical, I could just re-flash the OS and be on my way, though these days it's probably easier to just pick up an old used machine and maybe stick a cheap SSD in it. That freedom of "this isn't a precious machine to me, if I kill the OS I can just reinstall it" makes you more willing to try learning things.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They’ve never not acted like that

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[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Weird Al Yankovich has recently published a manifesto about the optimal parameters of modern computers, which are informally referred to as “AI requirements”

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hue hue hue

[–] LemmyQuest@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You thought AI is going to help you?

No, you need to serve the AI, you need to sastify it's requirement.

Real Answer:

from the article:

"The coding included hardware requirements for the CPU with the required instructions and a minimum of 16GB of memory. "

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they run locally? That surely means that no data is send to MS, right? Right?!

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So MS is upping the required amount of RAM so now there is even less for my browser to hog. Here O was getting by with 32 gigs, guess it's time to go for broke and get 128.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • SSE 4.2
  • POPCNT instruction specifically
  • 16GB of RAM.

The first two are available on CPUs starting from AMD K10 (Phenom) and Intel's Penryn and Nehalem architectures (Core 2 and original Core i5/i7).

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously? The old core i7 870 (not a typo) I have in my closet meets the requirements? Adding the watermark for CPUs older than that just seems mean-spirited.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there are also some ARM SoCs (now that Windows on ARM is a thing) that don't meet the requirements, and there are too many systems out there with only 8GB of RAM.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

😁 I have a MacBook pro with only 2g ram running the newest linux kernel, nouveau and Gnome on Wayland without swap, höhö. Well it runs mostly, it’s enough to stream from plex, tho.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

that image always bothers me not sure if its the weird chest situation or reaching one wing toward the cloaca while staring like that

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Come take care of big pappa penguin, baby bird"

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

For a moment when you look at the chest it seems like there's a six pack.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 1 year ago

That Tux version does have a bit of a Lenny face. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I will just wait for Windows 12. The old rule that every other version of Windows sucks still holds up to this day.

[–] lorkano@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry to disappoint you but it won't get better this time

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Boomerang not gonna return this time ain't it?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
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[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No it won't. That's such a stupid thing to write about. I don't remember tomshardware being this clickbaity.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They have been for a while now.

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[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PSA: Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC doesn't have any of this shit, won't bother you and is supported until 2027

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