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[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 55 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Police said they were reporting all four to prosecutors on suspicion of violating the Austrian law that bans the symbols of Nazism.

Every nation in the world should enact the same law.

edit - Seems I've upset the nazi sympathizers today. My good deed is done.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@kbin.social 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I like where your heads at, and I'm usually all for anything that makes it harder to be a Nazi. Like, seriously, how is that still a thing in 2024?

But, it's one of those slippery slopes where you have to wonder how far you take the idea, and at one point does banning just Nazi symbolism slowly turn into banning symbolism of things the government just doesn't care for today. It's easy to say that "We stop at Nazis" but then it just takes one asshole saying "Oh, does that mean this other group isn't so bad because we're not applying it to them?".

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I get that. There's very few things that are black and white in the world. But the fact remains that allowing nazis ANY leeway at all makes them think they can do whatever they want. And that ain't the way this game is played.

Believe whatever you want ... but the minute those beliefs turn into actions that harm people, you're done. Zero tolerance.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Believe whatever you want … but the minute those beliefs turn into actions that harm people, you’re done. Zero tolerance.

I agree - But what these douchebags did wasn't harmful to anyone.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Understandable.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

We could just make speech that directly glorifies or encourages violence illegal. Basically just an extension of laws against violent threats or speech that does direct harm.

It would be much harder to abuse such a restriction on speech, and it would cover all violent or genocidal movements without singling out a specific ideology.

One of the best ways around the first amendment is to throw away any notion of offensiveness or obscenity, and focus on victims. You can't fraudulently shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre because the people who get injured in the panic will be victims. You can't possess child porn because minors have no right to grant sexual consent and the existence of such media further victimizes them. You can't distribute private porn made with your partner without their permission for similar reasons: because your partner didn't consent to it, and would be victimized by its distribution. You cannot threaten to assault or kill someone, or call for others to assault or kill someone, because it amounts to conspiracy to commit a violent crime.

None of these restrictions on speech focus on the speech being offensive, they focus on the speech having direct harmful consequences to others. It draws the line of where your rights end at where others' rights begin.

I don't see why we can't extend this to cover inherently violent ideologies like Nazism, where glorification of it, by definition, is a call for violence against specific members of our society. If you celebrate the Holocaust and demand similar action today, the victims are the people who you are asking the state to murder. There's no reason to tolerate that as free speech, because the people being targeted have the right not to be murdered. If it's illegal to call for the murder of 1 person, why not make it illegal to call for the murder of millions of people?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Lemmy has at least 6 fascist loving twats hanging around?

Honestly wonder what the fuck they're doing here. Fuck off nazi scum

[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Thing is, they know how to hide their symbols but still perpetuate their ideology

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I would rather they have to do it in the shadows, and be able to be dealt with if they show their faces in the light of day.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'd want the wording on such a law to be extremely specific so as not to be weaponized by saying anything the current people in power don't like is a Nazi symbol.

But it couldn't be and still have any worth, since the symbols would constantly change to remain hidden. It would simply further impede upon freedom of speech and expression the more you try to stop it.

[-] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

You've perfectly described the problem with what the OP is proposing. Disagreeing with that position doesn't make you a Nazi.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

extremely specific so as not to be weaponized by saying anything the current people in power don’t like is a Nazi symbol.

Someone wants to keep their pepe memes.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

Imagine thinking Hitler had anything to offer beyond bland paintings

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well he had lots of things to offer. Mostly genocidal, racist and other fucked up things but definitely a lot of those.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

There's all these stories about people going back in time to stop Hitler, but I've never read one where someone goes back to the past to convince the art school that his paintings aren't great yet, but he has potential.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Watch him then gain fame as a world renown painter and then ends up galvanizing the world-wide fascist movement that gains power in more than just the handful of countries that did go fascist.

[-] Iapar@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago

He offered 2/3 of a mustache to someone who took it.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

Respect for Germany not tolerating these fascist losers.

[-] arlaerion@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago

In this case it's Austria not tolerating those fascists.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

respect to them too!

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 6 months ago

Hitler was Austrian.

[-] Beryl@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So they made his birthplace a police station, which I guess is not the worse idea if you don't want to take it down. But as long as it's there, you know it's going to be used as a symbol and a place of remembrance for the idiots who are nostalgic of the good ol' fascist times.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Tearing it down looks difficult at best as it shares walls with buildings on both sides.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

No, just one side. But I'm sure the builders in the area have experience working in that situation, given how many are built like that.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

You're right about only 1 side. I blame it on my old eyes.

[-] edwardthefma99@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

This is disturbing I blame the education system these people obviously didn't learn there history and weren't taught morals

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