I don't believe those articles saying that Israel have been defeated, while Palestine people still are dying and the West Bank is still being stolen. When Palestine came back to it's pre 1947 territory, we can talk about how Israel have been defeated.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Totally fair, but it's also true that Israel has gained nothing of significance and lost a lot from this war, not getting any of the objectives they set forth.

Unless the actual goal is genocide, in which case they are continuing to "succeed" every day.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The actual goal is genocide, any other stated justification is a lie. They’ve successfully killed tens of thousands, and are certainly going to attempt new settlements and permanent military rule in Gaza, unless the international community intervenes.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly my point.

The "official" reasons for this don't make sense. So that only leaves deliberate genocide as the reason.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And mantaining a segregated state. These two cultures have occupied this same territory for over 2000 year. It really looks like the scummery of ancient civilization burns in the heart of this nonsense.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Israel is defeated like the US was defeated in Afghanistan. It's not that the Taliban managed to get tanks rolling through DC, but they killed our international image and took away prescious time, money, energy, and lives. They suffered magnitudes more than us, so just like in any war, there were no winners.

We keep saying "we don't negotiate with terrorists", but I'm starting to think that we should consider negotiating with terrorists*.

'*Understanding the definition of terrorist is very subjective

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I can't read the article as for some reason the archive website hates my vpn. I was able to read enough to grok it's a pretty piss-poor take though.

Whining about "not completing the objective" is just gaslighting what the objective was/is, and complaining about being "internationally shunned"for committing fuggen genocide causes me to believe (at my most charitible) that this author hasn't grasped the horror of what his country is still engaged in

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

Fuck Israel.

https://kolektiva.media/w/ba1cb5b0-521f-4aee-9334-bd5ab1dd16e1

Donate to legal funds for those who get captured by police on April 15th or get your ass to a demonstration. This needs to stop.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The fear is never that the fascists will win, they won't, it's how many innocents they will manage to slay before falling.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, the victimhood. When you feel like a victim of your own actions

[–] gimpchrist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Have to sign up to read

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

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